This spells it out

[willy]

Neither do I, and the name could have been Barack and Bill.

The math as usual is always suspect and even though it is not perfect it is correct in that a hard working guy named Bill is getting the royal shafting by Barack.

As are all the other Americans who are paying these bills.

And just another thought to Blue's point, if those illegals were voting Republican that wall would have been built two decades ago and mass round ups would have occurred.
That is because these Statists that are in the demo/socialist party could not care less about Jose or Joe. It is dependent voting blocks.
Period.

[awthacker]

Yeah... it's not racist, at all. I guess the use of Joe and Jose make it a little distasteful to some, and the math is fuzzy, but the point is well made. And it's true that people are the problem, not the laws. But it's posts like this and the ensuing discussions that amount to "doing something about it". Let's face it... there ain't no one out there up for election of any office that is worth a ****. Maybe through social media, one day there will be. I do think the public is tiring of business as usual on capital hill... then again, it's probably always been that way and nothing will probably ever change.

[Kracker Jack]

I sense sarcasism in the story which is the point but not racism. I could think of a few other words that could have been used to make it racist. This story reminds me of a piece of property that i hunted for about 16 years, I worked my @$$ off planting food plots and setting tree stands. I had alot of work involved on this property. I let a buddy of mine hunt there about 3 years ago and he killed a huge 8 pointer that I had been seeing for about 3 years prior. Moral of the story is im glad he got him a nice buck but i had alot of time and money vested in the property just for him to slip in there for 1 hunt and shoot a sweet deer. I was kinda aggrevated for a while over that one!! lol!!!

[Destroyer]

Ok.. As I said in my post, I knew it wouldn't be a popular stance, and that's ok, cause I'm a big boy and I can handle some controversy.

Rac·ism
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1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. I.E. slavery

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

4. racial prejudice or discrimination.

Yes, it is a racist post.

Some of you hit the nail on the head with the name thing. (and it's the names that make it racist) I'll spell it out for you.

Joe is our normal American hero worker/father

Jose is our normal Spanish illegal worker/father.

From the post we now know that all American worker/fathers are good hard working people that take on a second job to make ends meet,

And we all know that Spanish worker/fathers are all illegals that sit on their asses during the weekend.

The post sublimally makes you resent people of the Spanish race. And that makes it racist.

Do I hate illegals being in my country and taking jobs from Americans?
Of course I do. You only have to look at any one of several hundred posts I've made to know my feelings on this issue, but I hate ALL illegals, not just the Spanish. Not just the Russians, Not just the French, not just the Canadians, not any one particular race. Just because there are more Spanish illegals does not mean that you single out that particular race. If you do that makes you a racist.

I work in the construction industry. I work alongside people of Spanish heritage every day. Not a one of them is illegal, some are 3rd and 4th generation Americans, they're all hard working, and I'll be damned if I'll allow anyone to paint them with the same broad brush of hate simply because their last name is Rodrigus or Ramirez or whatever.

So yes, the original post was racist, because it painted the entire Spanish race as being illegal bums. And that makes it wrong.

PS.. I'd be a lot more tolerant of this post if it was Joe1 and Joe2

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by willy

Neither do I, and the name could have been Barack and Bill.

But it wasn't. It was Joe and Jose. Jose is exclusively a Spanish name and that made the post racist.

I don't disagree with you about your comments on voting blocks or anything else, just take out the racism and make it Joe1 and joe2 and you got my vote.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

But it wasn't. It was Joe and Jose. Jose is exclusively a Spanish name and that made the post racist.

I don't disagree with you about your comments on voting blocks or anything else, just take out the racism and make it Joe1 and joe2 and you got my vote.

That's splitting hairs and taking political correctness to far IMHO. So lets call them Jose legal and Jose illegal. No change, but it makes it PC. As for the math, I'm not going there. After having my wifes income cut in half this year with the new taxes and BS they stuck teachers with in our district this year, and me not able to bring in much money raising our son. I know the money crunch all to well. And it REALLY boils my blood knowing all those ILLEGALS that were in teh hospital popping out anchor babies when my wife gave birth were covered 100%, meanwhile we ended up shelling out close to $10K last year for medical even with her platinum lined Blue Cross state policy.

[willy]

And there it is, Destroyer I get your point but frankly I feel that being politically correct is not my thing.
So a definition from a book can be stretched to make basically any discussion racist and thus we have the leftist use of PC speech to silence thought and discussion.
So, do we currently have a huge problem with millions of thief's in the night stealing across our border from JAPAN. No we don't, we have 11 to 18 MILLION illegal immigrants and yes, Jose and Juan is a common name amongst them.
So the politically correct version would be to refer to them as undocumented persons.
To me they are illegal aliens, they have committed crimes against our nation and in spite of that our people, you know the RACIST people have been footing the bill for them for decades.
So Jose is different from Joe. And this being America, Joe is going to point that out and not be silenced or muffled by the PC Police.
Jose is different not because he speaks spanish or the color of his skin. Jose is different because he snuck across the desert, in the middle of the night and dug a tunnel under the border and is now sitting in our country illegally and mean while millions of people from other nations in the world have been doing it legally to emigrate to the U.S. but can't do to the small numbers we can let in here. Do you know why? Because of all the Jose's here which are already living off the system.
There, I said it.
Racist me.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by willy

And there it is, Destroyer I get your point but frankly I feel that being politically correct is not my thing.
So a definition from a book can be stretched to make basically any discussion racist and thus we have the leftist use of PC speech to silence thought and discussion.
So, do we currently have a huge problem with millions of thief's in the night stealing across our border from JAPAN. No we don't, we have 11 to 18 MILLION illegal immigrants and yes, Jose and Juan is a common name amongst them.
So the politically correct version would be to refer to them as undocumented persons.
To me they are illegal aliens, they have committed crimes against our nation and in spite of that our people, you know the RACIST people have been footing the bill for them for decades.
So Jose is different from Joe. And this being America, Joe is going to point that out and not be silenced or muffled by the PC Police.
Jose is different not because he speaks spanish or the color of his skin. Jose is different because he snuck across the desert, in the middle of the night and dug a tunnel under the border and is now sitting in our country illegally and mean while millions of people from other nations in the world have been doing it legally to emigrate to the U.S. but can't do to the small numbers we can let in here. Do you know why? Because of all the Jose's here which are already living off the system.
There, I said it.
Racist me.

Oh really? So you will condem and lump in the millions upon millions of LEGAL Spanish immigrants (and there are far more of them than the illegal varity) with the illegal Spanish immigrants? I'm not being pollitically correct. Don't you dare try and hang that label on me. I don't speak PC. Ya, there are tons of Juans and Jose's living off the system, but there are also tons of LEGAL Juans and Joses paying INTO the system. They are legal and they pay their taxes and they complain about the illegals just the same as we do. All I'm saying is don't condem them because of the actions of some of their countrymen. If you use an exclusively Spanish name then you are targeting a particular race of people, and that makes it racist. Don't you see that?

Look, I have no patience with illegal immigrants. It took me 10 years and over $20,000 dollars to get my second cousin here from Poland. (And she was a registered nurse with a college degree). So I'm the last person in the world that tollerates people that come here illegally. But I WILL NOT condem an entire race of people for the actions of a (relatively speaking) few.

The post was inaccurate and racist, and it has no place here. We're better than that.

[RidgeRunner]

Subscribed. -I already have an opinion. I really don't like system, or the folks that abuse it. Whatever your race, shame on you for playing the race card when someone is just trying to illustrate how working the system pays better than working a real job.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

That's splitting hairs and taking political correctness to far IMHO. So lets call them Jose legal and Jose illegal. No change, but it makes it PC. As for the math, I'm not going there. After having my wifes income cut in half this year with the new taxes and BS they stuck teachers with in our district this year, and me not able to bring in much money raising our son. I know the money crunch all to well. And it REALLY boils my blood knowing all those ILLEGALS that were in teh hospital popping out anchor babies when my wife gave birth were covered 100%, meanwhile we ended up shelling out close to $10K last year for medical even with her platinum lined Blue Cross state policy.

No, using "Jose" is what makes it racist. Use Joe or Bob or Bill or John or whatever generic name you want and I'm with ya all the way. Just don't use somethig that is exclusively tied to one particular race.

Look, I'm NOT condoning the actions of the illegals. If it was up to me I'd put them all in jail, make them work to pay off their debt to our society, and then ship them all back to whatever country they came from. Condoning them has never been my position. All I'm saying is that there is a huge population of legal immigrants, from the same countries that the illegals came from, that do not deserve to be lumped into the same pot with the illegal varity. Doing so is wrong. It's not being politically correct, it's just being correct. As far as the subject of voting blocks, money cuts, anchor babies, etc., etc., goes I'm with ya. I don't like it any more than you do. My wife also works for the state, and I also have seen the pay cuts just like you have. But I'm just not going to condem my friends because their names happen to be Spanish in origin. I think Hitler did that a few years ago with anyone who's name's happened to end with Stein or Berg etc. I'm not going there.