Teen flips off judge

[lathehand]

Kinda shows how the meadia can twist anything around

[aussie]

shes a kid and inmature she had no idea why the judge ask her about her ***erly ((( niether did i ))) she would of thought it was a joke and he should of explained it to her---he was having a bad day by the looks of it and behaving they way he did dosnt gain him any respect from the people

[Kracker Jack]

Court and judges are not a joke. You don't laugh and giggle like that in a court room, it shows lack of remorse. She was fully aware of what she was doing. Let me say adios to a judged and see what happens! Just another example of our disrespectfull youth. And by the way the judge has a right to be the way he is, because if I saw that ignorance come thru my court every day I wouldn't have tolerence either.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I was always taught respect your elders, and ESPESCIALLY the law. I tell my wife all the time that if I had talked to my parents or grandparents like her or her sister does, I wouldn't be here today because my dad would have killed me. And disrespecting a judge is HUGE no no, court is no joke. Used to be a very serious thing to go to court, but now it is entertainment with judges like judge Judy and the like putting it on TV(but even she wouldn't have put up with this). Most judges are very easy going so long as your respectful to them, but mouth off to them and they will bite you for it(figuritavely speaking).

[Destroyer]

Kracker, I gotta disagree with you a bit. The "original" questions to her were answered respectfully. It is NOT a crime to laugh, either in court or in public. In fact, laughing is a known nervous response, and the kid was obviously nervous. She didn't say anything disrespectful to the judge origionally, and judging from the judges accent, he was of a spanish nationally. Adios just means goodbye... it's NOT disrespectful, and is a perfect response to a friendly "bye-bye" comment from the judge. The judge over reacted to double the bail amount. Then the girl crossed the line, I totally agree, but there is a ton of guilt on BOTH sides of that bench. Actually, I think the judge should be brought to account for his actions.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Kracker, I gotta disagree with you a bit. The "original" questions to her were answered respectfully. It is NOT a crime to laugh, either in court or in public. In fact, laughing is a known nervous response, and the kid was obviously nervous. She didn't say anything disrespectful to the judge origionally, and judging from the judges accent, he was of a spanish nationally. Adios just means goodbye... it's NOT disrespectful, and is a perfect response to a friendly "bye-bye" comment from the judge. The judge over reacted to double the bail amount. Then the girl crossed the line, I totally agree, but there is a ton of guilt on BOTH sides of that bench. Actually, I think the judge should be brought to account for his actions.

According to many in the south Florida latino community, adios IS a HUGE insult when having a conversation in english(espescially how she goes from the pissed off face to the giggly f--k you when she says adios). It is right up there f--k you, and is a blatant insult. And the constant fiddling with her hair is also a HUGE F--K you in there culture. It is one of those things that can look innocent, but to that area it is not. IMO the judge was more than patient with her, and after repeated times telling her to be serious she continued to be disrespectful to the courtroom. Here is the most compelete version of it I have found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLA7dQ-uxR0

And it seems the judge left an impression on her as she was MUCH more respectful when she returned to court.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLcaL8a8ow

[RidgeRunner]

I have utmost respect for the law and judges as taught by my parents. My daughter is being instructed to have the same respect.

Maybe she got what she deserves after all. BUT I still say
This girl is high, something is wrong with her. Even though the judge could have handled it better IMO. The guards of the jail should be there prepping the next customer for what to do and how to act. Especially the young and dumb uninitiated types..

Is it typical of a judge to ask of a defendant what her jawelry is worth?
If she had said it is worth a million dollars, what bearing would that have had on a simple drug posession bond hearing? Is he looking to move in on some of that gold or what?

If he is tired of being disrespected by the thugs down there in Miami, perhaps he should consider a different vocation. The more I think about it, the more I think Tri-County will be making a killing off this stupid girl.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

According to many in the south Florida latino community, adios IS a HUGE insult when having a conversation in english(espescially how she goes from the pissed off face to the giggly f--k you when she says adios). It is right up there f--k you, and is a blatant insult. And the constant fiddling with her hair is also a HUGE F--K you in there culture. It is one of those things that can look innocent, but to that area it is not. IMO the judge was more than patient with her, and after repeated times telling her to be serious she continued to be disrespectful to the courtroom. Here is the most compelete version of it I have found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLA7dQ-uxR0

And it seems the judge left an impression on her as she was MUCH more respectful when she returned to court.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLcaL8a8ow

Ferm, that's really the first time I've ever heard that (the adios thing). I can tell you that we have a huge latino community around these parts, and I hear it being said all the time...however, to be fair, I'll ask several personal latino friends tomorrow about both the adios and the hair thing. Lets see what they say. Maybe it's a cultural thing.. say....Cuban vs Peurto Rico or something like that. If, indeed, it's an insult, then she crossed the line. period. But if it's an innocent thing, then I still believe that the judge crossed the line. Truth be told, I thought he was being flippant with his "bye-bye" comment, and that was before the girl responded with the "adios" ... so maybe she was retaliating? Who knows... In all cases I'm sure that she'll be wiser and more polite if she ever goes to court again...

Also, if you notice, in the latest video, after she goes back to court on the drug charges she is (a) respectful of the different judge, (b) has a (court appointed?) lawyer that's doing most of the talking, and (c) is still constantly fiddeling with her hair. It's obviously a nervious habit, and I'm sure that I can point to any one of a thousand girls in any school and find several that do the same thing. It may be disrespectful in some spanish communities, but in this case I think it's clearly just a nervous reaction.

[Kracker Jack]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Kracker, I gotta disagree with you a bit. The "original" questions to her were answered respectfully. It is NOT a crime to laugh, either in court or in public. In fact, laughing is a known nervous response, and the kid was obviously nervous. She didn't say anything disrespectful to the judge origionally, and judging from the judges accent, he was of a spanish nationally. Adios just means goodbye... it's NOT disrespectful, and is a perfect response to a friendly "bye-bye" comment from the judge. The judge over reacted to double the bail amount. Then the girl crossed the line, I totally agree, but there is a ton of guilt on BOTH sides of that bench. Actually, I think the judge should be brought to account for his actions.

After watching the second video FERM posted its starting to become clearer that she was rolling her eyes,and being carefree and smiling while having a bond hearing for a drug possesion charge. I dont know what to say? if that was me on that tv my mother and father would wear my a$$ out for acting like that. I respect everyones opinions, i just dont think the little girl was being genuine and the judge felt the same way. I kinda think its funny how she got serious after he told her the bond had been increased she really snapped to attention then. She should have been paying attention like that the whole time. also the ***lry and vehicle question are to value her assets to set bond.here is a qoute from another web site, I couldnt say it better myself!!





I am perhaps in the minority here who thinks the judge's behavior was warranted by the situation, which is that the young woman was behaving as though the entire judicial process was a joke. She was being flippant (literally flipping her hair) and giggling, and when the judge said "it's not a joke....be serious about it," that should have been her cue to stop giggling and act sober. Instead, she came out with, "You just made me laugh!" and when asked about the dollar value of her ***elry assets, she instead said, "Like Rick Ross," referencing a rap star, and with more giggling.

The judge not only had reason at that point to be annoyed, but also to reaffirm to everybody else present that flippant behavior is not acceptable in court, a place where people's life fates are determined. He also had good reason to believe that she was currently on drugs (even though he asked and she denied it). Her demeanor at 1:17 of the video is completely that of somebody zonked on drugs -- nobody sober would ever move or make a face like that. Instead, the judge let her off the hook by setting a standard bond amount and dismissing her with a quick "bye bye."

The way she said "Adios" wasn't enough to be an insult on its own, but it was more like the final straw that broke the judge's desire to be lenient. The way she said "Adios" indicated that, at the end of it all, she still felt the entire thing was a joke and still had not taken his admonishments about being serious to heart. That's why he called her back.

I'd say he did her a favor. She needed a wake-up call. She's a cute young woman now, but what's she doing addicted to Xanax? What's going to happen to her in a few years if she keeps it up, or switches to meth?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Kracker Jack

After watching the second video FERM posted its starting to become clearer that she was rolling her eyes,and being carefree and smiling while having a bond hearing for a drug possesion charge. I dont know what to say? if that was me on that tv my mother and father would wear my a$$ out for acting like that. I respect everyones opinions, i just dont think the little girl was being genuine and the judge felt the same way. I kinda think its funny how she got serious after he told her the bond had been increased she really snapped to attention then. She should have been paying attention like that the whole time. also the ***lry and vehicle question are to value her assets to set bond.here is a qoute from another web site, I couldnt say it better myself!!





I am perhaps in the minority here who thinks the judge's behavior was warranted by the situation, which is that the young woman was behaving as though the entire judicial process was a joke. She was being flippant (literally flipping her hair) and giggling, and when the judge said "it's not a joke....be serious about it," that should have been her cue to stop giggling and act sober. Instead, she came out with, "You just made me laugh!" and when asked about the dollar value of her ***elry assets, she instead said, "Like Rick Ross," referencing a rap star, and with more giggling.

The judge not only had reason at that point to be annoyed, but also to reaffirm to everybody else present that flippant behavior is not acceptable in court, a place where people's life fates are determined. He also had good reason to believe that she was currently on drugs (even though he asked and she denied it). Her demeanor at 1:17 of the video is completely that of somebody zonked on drugs -- nobody sober would ever move or make a face like that. Instead, the judge let her off the hook by setting a standard bond amount and dismissing her with a quick "bye bye."

The way she said "Adios" wasn't enough to be an insult on its own, but it was more like the final straw that broke the judge's desire to be lenient. The way she said "Adios" indicated that, at the end of it all, she still felt the entire thing was a joke and still had not taken his admonishments about being serious to heart. That's why he called her back.

I'd say he did her a favor. She needed a wake-up call. She's a cute young woman now, but what's she doing addicted to Xanax? What's going to happen to her in a few years if she keeps it up, or switches to meth?

I agree that everything that has been presented here is correct.... and yet, I still have a problem with this. Look, like everyone else here, I've done several "services to my community" as a juror. I've also sat on 2 grand juries, (including one Federal grand jury that ran for 18 months). Now it's true that you don't get to see actual cases as a grand juror, but you do as a juror. In all cases you get to see how people react in court to certain situations. To me, (and I conceed that I can be wrong) the girl was nervous. Did she act like a horses behind? yes. Did she get what she deserved for flipping off the judge? yes. Was the judge himself acting in an unprofessional manner? In part, yes. As soon as he crossed the line and gave that flippant "Bye-Bye" comment he crossed the boundry between professional and unprofessional. Just because he's a judge does not give him the right to cross the line. That's the part that bothers me. He must hold himself to the exact same standards that he expects from everyone that appears before him. Listen to his voice and the tone in his voice as he tells her "bye-bye". (Just the words themselves should be enough to make it understood that he's clearly being sarcastic and a bit condescending). He's supposed to be impartial to matters presented before him. He made it personal, and as soon as he did, that made his conduct unprofessional. A proper, professional dismissal would have been a simple "goodbye". To me her "adios" reply was perfectly appropriate. Stupid, but appropriate.