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[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by jeffmo

So what's so bad about being a democrat w/ middle of the road views that you feel the need to say "it shows"??

At one time, there was absolutely nothing wrong with is. Back in the days or President Kennedy, or President Reagan, being a democrat meant something entirely different than what being a democrat means today. Today, the democratic party has been totally usurped by ultra left wingers that want nothing less than the complete overthrow of the United States and it's fundemental transformation into a Socialist Country, much like the European model that is failing so totally in Europe right now.

(It's funny to see how many Democratic Governors are saying they are not going to the Democratic convention and are saying so publically. They are all scared to death of being associated with the Obamanation)

[jeffmo]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

At one time, there was absolutely nothing wrong with is. Back in the days or President Kennedy, or President Reagan, being a democrat meant something entirely different than what being a democrat means today. Today, the democratic party has been totally usurped by ultra left wingers that want nothing less than the complete overthrow of the United States and it's fundemental transformation into a Socialist Country, much like the European model that is failing so totally in Europe right now.

(It's funny to see how many Democratic Governors are saying they are not going to the Democratic convention and are saying so publically. They are all scared to death of being associated with the Obamanation)

Sorry,but I just don't agree w/ that.
The same can be said about the thought process of the Ultra right wingers.Not every Governor agrees with the anti public sector worker bills that have been introduced in different states.Again,simply what I see as the problem,there's not nearly enough middle of the road politics.Too many who want things THEIR way or it's wrong.....supposedly.
I see it from alot of Democrats too so don't think I'm talking just about Republicans.I know people who blindly blame every problem in this country on the Republicans and it amazes me!
IF the elected people in this nation from the local levels to DC don't change and change soon,we're in for some trouble.

[willy]

The problem Jeff, as I see it in this discussion is you are referring to "ultra right wingers". As if the people who are trying to get our nation, our towns and cities back on a common sense fiscal track are ultra right wingers.
I'm sorry, but that is mass media double speak, just as referring and demagoging the average American taxpaying citizen in the Tea Party as "ultra right wingers"
These are offensive terms to me, ultra right wingers are the people known as Facist's Nazi's etc. It is a term the Pelosi's and NYT and the Chicago Tribune used to describe these Americans and they should be ashamed of their actions. Despicable.
So lets get a few things out in the open here. From one Public Sector Union member to another.
When you are paid more, pensioned more, benefited more than the people who are paying the freight for it and it eventually catches up to you there is no room to say that some politician who seeks to reduce the budget and literally State destroying debt it has caused is an ultra right winger.
None whatsoever.
When you have some of the highest taxes in the world on people, and the top ten percent of the earners in this country are paying literally over seventy percent of the freight of this country you have literally no room whatsoever in saying it is not enough, it is unfair, etc.
If you have a politician who will balance the budget, restrict the overbearing nation destroying, people enslaving centralized government and allow Americans to again live free you darn sure better vote for him. If not for yourself, for your brother and sister citizens and for your children.
Because the alternative planned by this monster in office will take this country of ours down the crapper to socialism in a heartbeat.
The unholy alliance between the politicians and the unions in this country, specifically the demo/socialist party has put our nation, our states exactly where you are today. Knowing full well that it was unsustainable. Knowing full well that eventually it would all come tumbling down. But as long as they got theirs it was OK.
I know this to be true and I watched it for thirty years in a public sector union here in NJ. First hand, no ultra right wing nazi point of view just common sense.
It has come to full view do to the big down turn in our economy, where now the people who are paying the freight are suffering huge, and the reality of what that unholy alliance has wrought is in the lime light.
Major changes are being foisted upon all of us, yes the unions public and private are going to take a big shot, how things were done are going to change tremendously.
Many people on the left side of the equation in this country, just as in socialist countries around the world are in big trouble because as Thatcher brilliantly said many years ago, "the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money".
Voting for Romney is the only course we have to turn this economy around. You sound like a smart well spoken fellow, and I have no doubt you are, but you need to step back and look at the whole enchilada here. Four more years of an un-constrained socialist in the Whitehouse spell doom for us all. No doubt about it. Can you imagine the results of four more years of what we just had the past three and a half.
Is Romney perfect? H@ll no. Are their better men and women out there? H@ll yea. Did they have the wherewithal to commit to what has to be the greatest challenge in politics, knowing full well that what they will step into in 2013 will be a nation in decline? H@ll no.
Let me ask a simple question of all of us. You have a choice to have either the Obamination or Romney to run your personal finances, make the decisions for your household, plan your retirement and investments.
Who would you choose.
Exactly.
For 300 million Americans now. Who wold you choose to turn this nightmare we are in around.
Exactly.
You see many on the Left paint a picture of a zero sum game and play this off on us Americans.
The U.S economy is not a zero sum game. We just are not growing our economy due to the policies of division and massive government control and regulation.
The economy will grow, the pie we are dividing will grow if we let our free markets be free. Maybe many of the middle class jobs you refer to will be saved, not by stealing more money from fellow Americans but by the pie expanding and people getting back to work.
Think hard when you pull that lever Jeff, being a free man is a terrible thing to give up.

[jeffmo]

Originally Posted by willy

The problem Jeff, as I see it in this discussion is you are referring to "ultra right wingers". As if the people who are trying to get our nation, our towns and cities back on a common sense fiscal track are ultra right wingers.
I'm sorry, but that is mass media double speak, just as referring and demagoging the average American taxpaying citizen in the Tea Party as "ultra right wingers"
These are offensive terms to me, ultra right wingers are the people known as Facist's Nazi's etc. It is a term the Pelosi's and NYT and the Chicago Tribune used to describe these Americans and they should be ashamed of their actions. Despicable.
So lets get a few things out in the open here. From one Public Sector Union member to another.
When you are paid more, pensioned more, benefited more than the people who are paying the freight for it and it eventually catches up to you there is no room to say that some politician who seeks to reduce the budget and literally State destroying debt it has caused is an ultra right winger.
None whatsoever.
When you have some of the highest taxes in the world on people, and the top ten percent of the earners in this country are paying literally over seventy percent of the freight of this country you have literally no room whatsoever in saying it is not enough, it is unfair, etc.
If you have a politician who will balance the budget, restrict the overbearing nation destroying, people enslaving centralized government and allow Americans to again live free you darn sure better vote for him. If not for yourself, for your brother and sister citizens and for your children.
Because the alternative planned by this monster in office will take this country of ours down the crapper to socialism in a heartbeat.
The unholy alliance between the politicians and the unions in this country, specifically the demo/socialist party has put our nation, our states exactly where you are today. Knowing full well that it was unsustainable. Knowing full well that eventually it would all come tumbling down. But as long as they got theirs it was OK.
I know this to be true and I watched it for thirty years in a public sector union here in NJ. First hand, no ultra right wing nazi point of view just common sense.
It has come to full view do to the big down turn in our economy, where now the people who are paying the freight are suffering huge, and the reality of what that unholy alliance has wrought is in the lime light.
Major changes are being foisted upon all of us, yes the unions public and private are going to take a big shot, how things were done are going to change tremendously.
Many people on the left side of the equation in this country, just as in socialist countries around the world are in big trouble because as Thatcher brilliantly said many years ago, "the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money".
Voting for Romney is the only course we have to turn this economy around. You sound like a smart well spoken fellow, and I have no doubt you are, but you need to step back and look at the whole enchilada here. Four more years of an un-constrained socialist in the Whitehouse spell doom for us all. No doubt about it. Can you imagine the results of four more years of what we just had the past three and a half.
Is Romney perfect? H@ll no. Are their better men and women out there? H@ll yea. Did they have the wherewithal to commit to what has to be the greatest challenge in politics, knowing full well that what they will step into in 2013 will be a nation in decline? H@ll no.
Let me ask a simple question of all of us. You have a choice to have either the Obamination or Romney to run your personal finances, make the decisions for your household, plan your retirement and investments.
Who would you choose.
Exactly.
For 300 million Americans now. Who wold you choose to turn this nightmare we are in around.
Exactly.
You see many on the Left paint a picture of a zero sum game and play this off on us Americans.
The U.S economy is not a zero sum game. We just are not growing our economy due to the policies of division and massive government control and regulation.
The economy will grow, the pie we are dividing will grow if we let our free markets be free. Maybe many of the middle class jobs you refer to will be saved, not by stealing more money from fellow Americans but by the pie expanding and people getting back to work.
Think hard when you pull that lever Jeff, being a free man is a terrible thing to give up.

And exactly in what context does ultra left winger translate to? I did notice that term didn't seem to bring out the same types of disgust.
But,YOUR interpretation of the term left winger(and right winger) and mine apparently do not mean the same thing.I do believe also that I have said that the ULTRA attitudes on both sides are the cause of the problems we're facing.The politicians are simply looking out for themselves and have forgotten about the people of this country.
Now,you say that I am being paid more,benefitting more and pensioned more than people who are "paying the freight for it".well,that just isn't so.here in Ohio Kasich TRIED to further his ALEC bosses agenda and TRIED to make public sector workers out to be the bad guys and the cause of any "supposed" financial problems we were experiencing.The truth was brought to the surface (i've always enjoyed how the truth comes out in the end!) and it was proven that their claims of the public sector salaries being 41% higher than those in the private sector were nothing more than lies.They never continued to argue the facts about it because they couldn't.
I really think that it's important to tell you that here in Ohio,The OAPFF submitted the necessary changes for our pension system to maintain the 30 year solvency stipulation as required by law,to the legislators so the needed changes could be made.The proposals were purposely tabled by the Republicans simply as a means to be able to say that our system was broken so their fight FOR SB5 would be stronger.Again though,their lies came to surface and end the end they loked very untrustworthy.
I think I should also add something that so many people seem to omit when they're speaking about public sector workers.we are taxpayers too! And you'd have to look for a pretty long time to find someone who hates seeing wasted tax dollars more than I do.Just curious but do you see the ALEC,big business/politician alliance with the same unholiness limelight? In my 22 years in the IAFF and more to the point,on the local level,we have never endorsed a candidate.It simply isn't good practice to do that.we believe that whoever wins we will have to work with them and to endorse one could very easily makes working conditions pretty bad if one were to hold a grudge.But take a look at what the IAFF lobbies for and I believe you'll find that our concerns deal with safety issues.But,just to give you an example of how the argument went here in Ohio we heard that the unions put THEIR GUY into office and then we get to sit across the table during negotiations and get "whatever we want" at the expense of the taxpayers(again,which we are also).The same people said that the public sector workers accounted for just 12% of the total workforce here in Ohio.Now,IF their argument held water HOW could 12% of the workforce get "THEIR GUY" voted into office.the truth is that it just doesn't work that way.
For no more than political reasons they tried to paint us as the bad guys and the public just didn't believe what they were saying.when election day rolled around 63% of the voters said NO to the governors anti public sector workers bill proposal.Just recently our Governor announced that the states "rainy day" fund was about $450 million and that when he took office there was $.87 in it.when the truth of the matter surfaced it was found that he had simply transferred the profits from our lottery into HIS rainy day fund.The lottery profits had,since the lottery began,been earmarked for our schools.This happens AFTER he slashed funding to local municipalities.How's that for honest politics? Thsi guy is 100% for forwarding the ALEC agenda!
And anyone who believes that the fires ervice hasn't taken hits during these tough economic times just doesn't know the truth of the matter.Our staffing level is lower today than it was in 1990 and back then we did fire and rescue duties,today we have added EMS services and the run volumnes has increased each and every year due to our aging society.
Personally,I can't imagine more of the politics that have got us to this point.we had many years of a couple of wars(not saying that we shouldn't have went into Iraq either) but,everyone knows that wars not only cost lives,they cost obscene amounts of money.I also understand that expecting this economy to turn around in a couple short years is nothing more than wishful thinking.
Is Obama perfect? in no way! I didn't agree w/ obamacare as a whole.I do believe that we need some sort of system to make healthcare available to people who need it.Like I told destroyer,Had McCain chose a legitimate vp candidate he would have gotten my vote.

What'll it take to turn things around?that's simple,bring back the jobs that went to foreign countries and demand that politicians look out for OUR citizens and THEN we'll see good times again.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by jeffmo

Like I told destroyer,Had McCain chose a legitimate vp candidate he would have gotten my vote.

What'll it take to turn things around?that's simple,bring back the jobs that went to foreign countries and demand that politicians look out for OUR citizens and THEN we'll see good times again.

McCain chose one of the best, most qualified people as his VP canidate. The media was scared to death of her. So they painted her to look like a boob. THey attacked everything about her, from the way she dressed to what magazines she read. And while Obama said that his kids were off limits and so the media didn't go after them, they had a field day with her children, calling them *****s, saying that her Downs syndrome baby was really her daughters, making up reallynasty, dispicible lies about her and her familly. It was and continues to be disgusting that anyone would fall for that garbage. So lets look at some facts. She is a college grad, married to her high school sweetheart. She didn't like what was happening in her town so she got involved politically and became mayor of her town, then when she didn't like what was happening in her state she ran for and became the Governor of the largest state in the union, where she served admirably until she was called upon to be McCains running mate. And then the Chicago political thug machine pounced because they saw how popular she was. They sent 37 lawyers to Alaska to go over everything in her background to try and find anything that was illegal or anything that could be used to damage and tarnish her in any way possible. They found NOTHING, so they made things up. They attacked her from every side, from late night comics calling her daughter a ***** to Bill Mayer calling her a stupid **** to the media attacking the price of the clothes she wore... ANYTHING that could be used against her, whether true or not, was thrown at her. And the American public at large, you included, drank the cool-aid and thought she was unqualified. So let me ask you Jeff... just what exactly in your eyes made her unqualified for the position? She has more administrative experience than Obama, who had exactly ZERO before he took office. She had more time as an elected official than Obama, who had less than 2 years as a state senator before he was elected, she had more time as a business person than Obama, who only worked as a "community organizer" before he ran for office. So in every way she was far more qualified than Obama... so what in your mind disqualified her? Admit it... you were duped, lied to, by the very political party and their stooge media that you seek to defend. And you still defend them.. My god man...wake up! This isn't about ALEC or whatever it is that you keep coming back to, this is about your very Country being taken over by people that want nothing less than complete control over your very life. How can you be so blind? Lets look at a few facts in my next post.

[Destroyer]

Here's some things to think about... In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the university of Lindburg had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic (Greece) some 2000 years before.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature. It simply cannot exist as a permanent form of Governmnet. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate(s) who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fical policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship"

The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations, from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations have always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith
From Spiritual faith to great courage
From great courage to liberty
From liberty to abundance
From abundance to complacency
From complacency to apathy
From apathy to dependance
From dependance back into bondage

Our obituary follows:
Born 1776 Died 2012

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts about the last presidential election for you to ponder... it won't hurt if you read them several times... maybe then you'll begin to realize what has happened and is happeing in our country.

"Number of states won by: Obama 19 McCain 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama 580,000 McCain 2,427,000
Population of counties won by Obama 127 Million McCain 143 milllion
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by Obama 13.2 McCain 5.3"

"In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the Country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare."

Olson believes the Uniter States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" defination phase of Professor Tylers defination of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

He further believes that if Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called "illegal immigrants" - and they vote- then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than FIVE years!

Now, if you are in favor of this, then by all means ignore this post.

However, if you're not in favor of this happening, then perhaps you should stop worring about what the government is going to do FOR you and start worring about what the government is going to do TO you. Realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom. Realize that if you don't vote or if you vote for Obama, YOU are helping drive the nails into our Country's coffin.

[jeffmo]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

McCain chose one of the best, most qualified people as his VP canidate. The media was scared to death of her. So they painted her to look like a boob. THey attacked everything about her, from the way she dressed to what magazines she read. And while Obama said that his kids were off limits and so the media didn't go after them, they had a field day with her children, calling them *****s, saying that her Downs syndrome baby was really her daughters, making up reallynasty, dispicible lies about her and her familly. It was and continues to be disgusting that anyone would fall for that garbage. So lets look at some facts. She is a college grad, married to her high school sweetheart. She didn't like what was happening in her town so she got involved politically and became mayor of her town, then when she didn't like what was happening in her state she ran for and became the Governor of the largest state in the union, where she served admirably until she was called upon to be McCains running mate. And then the Chicago political thug machine pounced because they saw how popular she was. They sent 37 lawyers to Alaska to go over everything in her background to try and find anything that was illegal or anything that could be used to damage and tarnish her in any way possible. They found NOTHING, so they made things up. They attacked her from every side, from late night comics calling her daughter a ***** to Bill Mayer calling her a stupid **** to the media attacking the price of the clothes she wore... ANYTHING that could be used against her, whether true or not, was thrown at her. And the American public at large, you included, drank the cool-aid and thought she was unqualified. So let me ask you Jeff... just what exactly in your eyes made her unqualified for the position? She has more administrative experience than Obama, who had exactly ZERO before he took office. She had more time as an elected official than Obama, who had less than 2 years as a state senator before he was elected, she had more time as a business person than Obama, who only worked as a "community organizer" before he ran for office. So in every way she was far more qualified than Obama... so what in your mind disqualified her? Admit it... you were duped, lied to, by the very political party and their stooge media that you seek to defend. And you still defend them.. My god man...wake up! This isn't about ALEC or whatever it is that you keep coming back to, this is about your very Country being taken over by people that want nothing less than complete control over your very life. How can you be so blind? Lets look at a few facts in my next post.

Honestly???
All it took for alot of people was listening to her try to answers questions posed to her by Katie Couric(I know,the teapartiers believe it was all the fault of a liberal reporter!).Hell,she couldn't simply name one single newspaper that she read on a regular basis.For me she always seemed to stumble over nearly every question that she was asked,couldn't gets facts straight and avoided answering direct questions.The fact is that SHE cost the republicans the Whitehouse and MOST republicans agree to that.
What the media did to her and her family was wrong.But,that's not something that happens exclusively to Republicans and you know that.
I don't believe that she's a bad person by any stretch of the imagination at all but she has no business in politics on the national level.
And yes,alot of what I dislike does come back to ALEC because of that organizations agenda.And it makes absolutely no sense to say that it doesn't come back to ALEC if you don't know what ALEC is all about.One of their strategies is to eliminate all public sector unions.The reason? to eliminate their competion.look it up!
But,that's just my opinion.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by jeffmo

Honestly???
All it took for alot of people was listening to her try to answers questions posed to her by Katie Couric(I know,the teapartiers believe it was all the fault of a liberal reporter!).Hell,she couldn't simply name one single newspaper that she read on a regular basis.For me she always seemed to stumble over nearly every question that she was asked,couldn't gets facts straight and avoided answering direct questions.The fact is that SHE cost the republicans the Whitehouse and MOST republicans agree to that.
What the media did to her and her family was wrong.But,that's not something that happens exclusively to Republicans and you know that.
I don't believe that she's a bad person by any stretch of the imagination at all but she has no business in politics on the national level.
And yes,alot of what I dislike does come back to ALEC because of that organizations agenda.And it makes absolutely no sense to say that it doesn't come back to ALEC if you don't know what ALEC is all about.One of their strategies is to eliminate all public sector unions.The reason? to eliminate their competion.look it up!
But,that's just my opinion.

Like I said, you were lied to and you drank the kool-ade, like a lot of other people. You just admitted it. You were told to dislike her because she couldn't name what MAGAZINE (not newspaper) she read on a regular basis. You probably never listened to her explaination for what she said in that interview, or why. You don't know that those "interviews" are completely scripted beforehand, by both parties (Dem and Republicans alike)... so that no one gets asked a question that they might make them look bad. You never knew that Couric was lying in wait to ambush Palin. You never knew that Katie went totally off the agreed to beforehand script. You didn't know how mad Ms. Palin was at the questions about her children that Katie asked just before the question about what she read. You don't know that she almost stopped the interview right then. Yes, she became flustered... SO WHAT???? My God man... do you really think that because she didn't answer what magazine she read that disqualified her to run? How stupid is that? How stupid is it for anyone to believe something like that.. How stupid is it to believe that a college graduate with a degree in journalism, a Mayor, a Governor doesn't know what she reads??? How stupid can people get? It had absolutely NOTHING to do with her abilities to lead... but the media told you it did so you swallowed the kool-ade and believed them ...because you were told to by the media...

And as to your comment about her not having business in politics on the national level I would submit to you that she is FAR more qualified to have business at the national level than the present inhabitant of the White house.

You said

What the media did to her and her family was wrong.But,that's not something that happens exclusively to Republicans and you know that.

Oh really? Tell me of one, just one attack that the media did against Obama and his family. Either then or now. Please, open your eyes.

As nice people we would all like to think that the attacks are just about equal, but in reality it's simply not so. The media is so overwhelmingly leftist that it's almost impossible to hear anything except what they want you to hear, what they want you to think. We're being brainwashed. If you repeat a lie often enough pretty soon everyone will start to believe it. And that's exactly what they are doing. Like Palin not being articulate, even though she graduated with a journalism degree, or Bush being dumb, even though he has two degrees, one from Yale (BA) and one from Harvard (MBA).

As to the rest of it, no, most Republicans do NOT think that she lost the White House .. The REAL fact is most Repubilcans think that John McCain lost the White house, due to the pathetic, inept campaign he ran. He never answered any attacks by Obama, he wouldn't allow anyone on his team (including Palin) to attack Obama or Obama's past, He was Mr Nice Guy, Mr. Casper Milktoast, and it cost him the election because of it.. he wanted to be liked by both sides,....and in the end the other side used him and his own side hated him... so what did it get him?? NOTHING!!

Last thought. The national elections have absolutely nothing to do with ALEC or any other organization, so forget that crap for now. The national elections have to do with who is going to run our country and in what direction they are going to lead it. The choice is simple and clear cut... Are we going to become a socialist country and then somewhere in the near future lose all our freedoms and slip into a dictatorship, or are we going to become a free republic again? That, in a nutshell, is what this election will decide. Your choice.