For those who do not intend to vote

[THEFERMANATOR]

I fully understand peoples disgust with choosing the lesser of 2 evils, it turned my guts to vote for McCane last time. The trouble with voting anymore is it is like picking between a bear and a wolf to eat you. They will both kill you and consume you. Problem is though, one of them WILL maul you and finish you off. You have no say in it, so this is where the lesser of 2 evils really burns most people up and leads to many saying they will not vote. Problem is though, if you don't vote, you have no grounds to complain about being eaten alive by both of em. And your not just affecting yourself, but all of us. Most here know who my pick is, but I hate to say it I doubt his strategy will work in August. I REALLY question Romney's motives myself, and wonder how he came into this position with the backers he has. But he IS the lesser of 2 evils, and if it comes down to it he will probably get my vote just to try and keep the current commander in thief out of office.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

I fully understand peoples disgust with choosing the lesser of 2 evils, it turned my guts to vote for McCane last time. The trouble with voting anymore is it is like picking between a bear and a wolf to eat you. They will both kill you and consume you. Problem is though, one of them WILL maul you and finish you off. You have no say in it, so this is where the lesser of 2 evils really burns most people up and leads to many saying they will not vote. Problem is though, if you don't vote, you have no grounds to complain about being eaten alive by both of em. And your not just affecting yourself, but all of us. Most here know who my pick is, but I hate to say it I doubt his strategy will work in August. I REALLY question Romney's motives myself, and wonder how he came into this position with the backers he has. But he IS the lesser of 2 evils, and if it comes down to it he will probably get my vote just to try and keep the current commander in thief out of office.

Ferm...as long as large numbers continue to tow the line of one party or another, a choice of two evils is all we'll have. When we start seeing the propaganda spewed from both directions for the smoke screen that it is, protecting those hiding behind it and granting rich & corporate America access to the levers of government control and start seeing the path back to a country governed BY THE PEOPLE, we'll keep on living by the whim of the powers that run this country now...we have to come together and stop all the party bickering that keeps US divided...and THEM in control.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Ferm...as long as large numbers continue to tow the line of one party or another, a choice of two evils is all we'll have. When we start seeing the propaganda spewed from both directions for the smoke screen that it is, protecting those hiding behind it and granting rich & corporate America access to the levers of government control and start seeing the path back to a country governed BY THE PEOPLE, we'll keep on living by the whim of the powers that run this country now...we have to come together and stop all the party bickering that keeps US divided...and THEM in control.

I could not agree with you more!!!

That is precisely what the Tea Party movement is all about. It's a pure of the People, by the People, for the People movement, uncorrupted by big business or politics. Their aim is simply to put into office those candidates that truly represent the will of the people.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I could not agree with you more!!!

That is precisely what the Tea Party movement is all about. It's a pure of the People, by the People, for the People movement, uncorrupted by big business or politics. Their aim is simply to put into office those candidates that truly represent the will of the people.

I glad to hear you agree in principle...but what I'm talkin about is left coming together w/right...conservatives talkin to liberals and I haven't seen much of that inside the TP...And I don't place any blame for that anywhere...my contention is at present we are pitted against each other...one ideology AGAINST the other and that's the way those in power want it...they are SAFE w/status quo as long as we are in the trenches dukin' it out w/ea/other...now it's us against us...we'll never regain power until it's us against THEM...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

I glad to hear you agree in principle...but what I'm talkin about is left coming together w/right...conservatives talkin to liberals and I haven't seen much of that inside the TP...And I don't place any blame for that anywhere...my contention is at present we are pitted against each other...one ideology AGAINST the other and that's the way those in power want it...they are SAFE w/status quo as long as we are in the trenches dukin' it out w/ea/other...now it's us against us...we'll never regain power until it's us against THEM...

To paraphrase: You can please some of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time.

While I completely agree with you in principal, the harsh reality is stated above. You'll never please all of the people all of the time. So, to my way of thinking, pleasing the most amount of people the most amount of the time is the hoped for goal. Since over 60% of people polled identify themselves as moderate to staunchly conservative, and liberals only make up 20% of the population, my thoughts are that a group, like the Tea Party, is the logical starting point to attaining the goal you just mentioned, namey us against them.

[willy]

I think a certain amount of compromise is inherent in the political arena. If that is what you are talking about I agree.
What you have in the Tea Party ARE people from all sides coming together and demanding accountability in the government.
That is why the hierarchy of both parties have tried to eliminate them.
Now are more of those people tending towards conservative principles in government, you betcha.
Those conservative principles of honesty and integrity, leadership and compassion are traits that were inherent in our Founders and in our Constitution. Principles of non-professional politicians that served for the sake of their country and not themselves. Principles of common sense leadership where you do not spend more than you take in. Respect for the rule of Law and ensuring that no man was above it.
Respect of the American Citizen and what that meant, respect of the principle of limited government and what that meant.
Respect of the principles of Liberty and that those Liberties and Rights were inherited from God whatever you believed him to be. And that government does not grant Rights, they come from God and cannot be altered by the state.
Those are the inherent principles of our Nation, principles that multiple generations fought to secure.
So while some compromise is needed to make things work you first need both major groups on this nation agreeing to honor those commitments and the Rule of Law.
What you have now is a lawless socialist that has decided that this
Constitution is not what it says it is. You have a socialist who believes in the collective a la Karl Marx. And he believes the ends justifies the means.
In other words he believes himself above the law and above the constraints of the Constitution.
You don't compromise with that, you eliminate that as quickly and decisively as you are humanly capable of.
You stand as a people against it and start down the road of the Rule of Law and the Constitution, the road leading to responsible government.
Yes I know, there have been Progressive/Socialists in both parties. Yes I know no one is perfect and Lord knows Romney is not.
He is a start down the road, he is a national smite of the socialist agenda.
We need that desperately now.
The Tea Party People are trying to give us that start, trying to force both parties down the road to national recovery.

[bradford]

The tea party sold out to the neocon republicans (owned and operated by the liberal media) when they started having sarah palin as a spokesperson. These controllers have turned the tea party into more of a containment vehicle to funnel money and energy/support to the sidelines and to make sure nothing ever really gets accomplished that has to do with stopping the banking cartel/war machine/.gov as your overlord/big brother in your face watching and controlling your every move/BS system that we have let take over. Any form of opposition that really matters or makes any kind of sense is quickly swept under the rug as being too old or having to scary of a foreign policy or just can't win. Thats why we will be served the drivel of the two choices for pres yet again. Ferm I with ya on the Ron Paul thing even if it doesn't work. Got a bad feeling though that he had that early morning breakfast with bernanke and got shown secret footage of the kennedy assassination where you can see some .gov goons taking him out and this caused the sudden drop off in his campaign. However, it good what he's created in amassing the delegates and the freedom movement infiltrating roles with the local and state party and .gov's, not to mention the spectacle to behold in Tampa at the republican convention. Ron Paul can't even control the delegates. They have a mind and will of their own and many couldn't give a rats *** about the republican party. In my opinion this could be the convention of our lifetime, or not.

[Destroyer]

NO!! The Tea Party has not sold out to anyone. Since no one is our leader it would be hard for one person to be our spokesperson. People still don't get it. The Tea Party isn't really a party at all. It's just a bunch of really pissed off citizens (millions in fact) that want a better government for their Country, themselves and their families. We get our information from a variety sources, we talk amoungst ourselves, we go to meetings in our hometowns and we vote based upon who we think will best uphold the values for our Country that we, as individuals and as a collective, are looking for. Although I hold her in high regard, Mrs. Palin is not our spokesperson, nor is Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or any of the other talk show hosts. I get as much information from CNN and NBC as I do from Fox. And I would say, to those that are saying that the Tea Party that created such turmoil in the 2010 elections is dead... watch what happens in a few months...