elections soon

[spareparts]

the problem i see is that every small group of individuals that belong to what ever group that believes in what ever bizarre beliefs, thinks obama is going to be their voice. If they are a bunch of goat humping inbred midgets, they think that obama is going to give all the goat humping inbred midgets equal standing to goat hump when ever they want to, with equal rights to all the non goat humping midgets out there. it seems that people that don't agree with certain standards or morals, become a group of minorities that empower a person like obama, they all think he's going to carry their torch so they can do what ever they want, whether it be illegal, immoral, or yes, fattening(just a joke there). Now their are so many small group of minorities, that all believe they are the chosen ones, they outnumber the majority groups

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spareparts

the problem i see is that every small group of individuals that belong to what ever group that believes in what ever bizarre beliefs, thinks obama is going to be their voice. If they are a bunch of goat humping inbred midgets, they think that obama is going to give all the goat humping inbred midgets equal standing to goat hump when ever they want to, with equal rights to all the non goat humping midgets out there. it seems that people that don't agree with certain standards or morals, become a group of minorities that empower a person like obama, they all think he's going to carry their torch so they can do what ever they want, whether it be illegal, immoral, or yes, fattening(just a joke there). Now their are so many small group of minorities, that all believe they are the chosen ones, they outnumber the majority groups

Unfortunately true, whiich is exactly why EVERY person that can vote needs to vote.. otherwise you let the goat humping imbred midgets win...and the rest of the Country looses.

[awthacker]

I think some of you "right-wingers" should reflect on the contents of this and some of the other related threads. To preface, I consider myself conservative. I voted for Santorum, and will vote for romney in the general.

Posting long-winded threats about what Obama is going to do if elected makes you sound like a kook. Why not discuss what has and hasn't been done in the last three years.

Making bigoted remarks about Obama supporters removes all your credibilty.

If you make these posts just to let off steam, just know that it damages others opinion of you. If you really wanna convince people or change minds in these internet discussions, try being a little more persuasive.

I'm not referring to every post in this thread, but I was very discouraged after reading it. Be a positive influence; not a hateful fear-monger.

[tartuffe]

Originally Posted by awthacker

I think some of you "right-wingers" should reflect on the contents of this and some of the other related threads. To preface, I consider myself conservative. I voted for Santorum, and will vote for romney in the general.

Posting long-winded threats about what Obama is going to do if elected makes you sound like a kook. Why not discuss what has and hasn't been done in the last three years.

Making bigoted remarks about Obama supporters removes all your credibilty.

If you make these posts just to let off steam, just know that it damages others opinion of you. If you really wanna convince people or change minds in these internet discussions, try being a little more persuasive.

I'm not referring to every post in this thread, but I was very discouraged after reading it. Be a positive influence; not a hateful fear-monger.

I agree and well said, if you dislike our snide-arse President as I do we need to be much more eloquent in our hatred. Lets not alienate those we need in order to win the vote and save this country.

OK OK I've been drinkin and I post in jest, but to get back to the subject of what this fella has done over the last three years: too much to type but I'll start it off;

For a few measly millions, Wall Street not only bought itself a president, but got the start-up firm of B. H. Obama & Co. LLC to throw a cabinet into the deal, too ***8212; With unemployment still topping 9 percent, the catastatic world economy teetering on the brink of another, even larger financial catastrophe, and trillion-dollar U.S. deficits as far as the green-shaded eye can see, let***8217;s hear it for Obama***8217;s first National Economic Council director, Lawrence Summers (of hedge-fund giant D. E. Shaw and venture-capital firm Andeersen Horowitz), who has had some nice paydays courtesy of Lehman Bros., JPMorgan Chase, and Citigroup. Let***8217;s hear it for Citigroup***8217;s Michael Froman, deputy assistant to the president and deputy national-security adviser for international economic affairs, for Hartford Financial***8217;s Neal Wolin, deputy Treasury secretary, for JPMorgan***8217;s William Daley, Obama***8217;s chief of staff, and for his predecessor, Rahm Emanuel of Wasserstein Perella. Let***8217;s hear it for Fannie Mae***8217;s Tom Donilon, national-security adviser. (No, seriously: One of the luminous interstellar geniuses who brought Fannie Mae to its current aphotic state of affairs, upside down to the tune of trillions of dollars, is running national security, and the former director of the White House Military Office, Louis Caldera, was on the board of IndyMac when it finally went toes up ***8212; sleep tight, America!) And, lest we forget, let***8217;s have three big, sloppy cheers for economic-transition team leaders Robert Rubin (Goldman Sachs, Citigroup) and folksy tax enthusiast/ghoulish billionaire vulture Warren Buffett.

These are the same guys whose financial institutions manipulated home buyers into buying homes they had no business buying because they could do it using FDIC insured loans. They then bundled these loans and literally bought the triple A ratings on mortgage backed securities and sold them. Then they continued to make money on these fraudulent loans betting on their demise.

When did it begin??? When Clinton told America that every American deserves a home.


March 1995 ***8211; Less than 2 months after becoming Secretary of the Treasury, Rubin asked Congress to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act and to change the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956. (Regulation that came about as a result of the Great Depression)

White House Is Joining in Efforts To Loosen the Limits on Banking
The Clinton Administration plans to call this week for legislation that would allow commercial banks, securities firms and insurance companies to merge, forming giant financial services companies that would offer everything from checking accounts to mutual funds and life insurance, Federal officials say.
In a speech prepared for delivery in New York on Monday and in Congressional testimony scheduled for Wednesday, Treasury Secretary Robert E. Rubin will urge Congress to repeal the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, the officials said. For more than 60 years, the law has forced financial concerns to choose between owning commercial banks or owning securities companies like brokerage firms and investment banks, but not both.
Mr. Rubin also plans to call for broad changes in the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, which has effectively barred most financial concerns from owning both commercial banks and insurance companies, said the Federal officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Mr. Rubin***8217;s speech will represent the first time that the Administration has taken a position on eliminating the legal and regulatory barriers among financial industries.
Regulatory changes in recent years have already allowed commercial banks, like Citibank, to begin selling stocks and mutual funds on a limited basis. But the Glass-Steagall Act still bars Citibank, for example, from merging with a brokerage firm like Merrill Lynch or an investment bank like Goldman, Sachs, which provides corporate investment advice and helps companies issue stock. The Bank Holding Company Act bars Citibank fom merging with a big insurance company like Prudential.

I confess, I do well in the stock market but it is tough when the chips are stacked against you. Knowing the government allowed those chips to be stacked really pisses me off.

[RidgeRunner]

Oh !.. Subscribed.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by awthacker

I think some of you "right-wingers" should reflect on the contents of this and some of the other related threads. To preface, I consider myself conservative. I voted for Santorum, and will vote for romney in the general.

Posting long-winded threats about what Obama is going to do if elected makes you sound like a kook. Why not discuss what has and hasn't been done in the last three years.

Making bigoted remarks about Obama supporters removes all your credibilty.

If you make these posts just to let off steam, just know that it damages others opinion of you. If you really wanna convince people or change minds in these internet discussions, try being a little more persuasive.

I'm not referring to every post in this thread, but I was very discouraged after reading it. Be a positive influence; not a hateful fear-monger.

Well, because it was really two different posts, I guess I've made the longest post in this thread. So I''ll presume that your comments are directed at me. It's ok, I'm a big boy and can take criticism. Frankly, I don't agree with you, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Thank you for your vote for Santorum. He was one of my favorites. And thank you for your announced forthcoming vote for Romney. Your Country will be better for it.

"Posting long-winded threats about what Obama is going to do if elected makes you sound like a kook. Why not discuss what has and hasn't been done in the last three years."

You need to understand though that my fears are not for what has been done in the past 3 1/2 years. My fears are for the future. I don't look at it as making a threat. I look at it as a fairly intelligent PROMISE of what will happen to our Country if we re-elect him. He's laid most all of the groundwork allready in his first team. If he gets re-elected, and doesn't have to worry about the chores of being re-elected, he can (and will) devote all of his time to implementing (through executive orders, czars and unelected departments) his ideas for "fundmentally transforming America". He will turn us into a Marxist state. I, for one, don't want to live in a Marxist state. I fought in Vietnam. I saw first hand what communism is all about. I saw the bodies.

Many people don't know what Marxism is, so here, according to Webster, is a short defination: Marxism is the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.

Did you catch that line about dictatorship of the proletariat? (We, the people, are the proletariat). See, the problem with that is that establishment of a classless society never happens. There will always be classes. The elite will always think they are better than us, that they should be at the top, with the best of everything and thinking that it's the job of the rest of us to supply it to them. If we don't, if we speak out against them, they kill us. They rule by fear That's what has happened in every dictatorship throughout history, without exception, and it will happen here also. So yes, the future scares the sh!t out of me. If you think that makes me look like a kook, then I wear that mantle with honor and pride.

"Making bigoted remarks about Obama supporters removes all your credibilty".

I'm not a bigot, and I've never made or read a bigotted remark here about any supporter that I'm aware of, so I'm not sure where that came from. Perhaps you can give me an example?

"If you make these posts just to let off steam, just know that it damages others opinion of you. If you really wanna convince people or change minds in these internet discussions, try being a little more persuasive".

I make these posts because I view myself as a patriot. A man that deeply loves his Country and the freedoms it stands for. I don't make them to let off steam. I make them to try and let others see what has been happening to their Country and why it has been happening. Hell, it's never going to be reported in the mainstream press, so unless people like me make these types of posts a large segment of the population will never know what's about to befall them until it's too late. I'm not a great orator, nor really good with words like Willy, so you'll have to forgive me for being long-winded. But you need to understand that I'm trying to be as persuasive as is humanly possible. Don't criticise my words, listen to the thoughts behind them.

[willy]

It's all good my friend, not to worry. We all have differing points of view and ways of communicating them.
The main trouble with this whole topic is the passion that it brings forth. From everyone. But it seems to especially hit hard with Veterans.
Often during the course of expressing our views we fail to realize that many either are unaware or uninformed. It frustrates me many times.
Also there are many who are what I refer to as one issue voters, my sister who I love dearly could care less about the demise of our nation and the principles it stands on as long as she gets to vote for who she interprets to be more pro choice.
In her mind no republican can ever be the nominee as she KNOWS they will take away a womans right to choose.
Common sense restrictions or a moderate position does not exist.
So if we go into another Great Depression next year so be it, at least we will have un-restricted abortions for all.
There are many, including some of my dear friends who are life long democrats, they have no concept of the Progressive (aka socialist) movement which has taken over their party.
With the election of a devout socialist and his policies in 2008 many are just now realizing the hard left turn they have brought upon themselves. The ones who are informed and pay attention are at the very least very scared of the future.
In fact, I believe that is the operative word in all these discussions, we are all scared, for ourselves, for our kids. And mostly for our Country.
Sometimes that brings out the "My back is against the wall" attitude.
That is the effect of divisive leadership. What we have now.
I believe in my heart that this November the American People will stand tall and do the right thing. The Great Divider will be out of office, and we will rise like a Phoenix.

[awthacker]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Well, because it was really two different posts, I guess I've made the longest post in this thread. So I''ll presume that your comments are directed at me. It's ok, I'm a big boy and can take criticism. Frankly, I don't agree with you, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Thank you for your vote for Santorum. He was one of my favorites. And thank you for your announced forthcoming vote for Romney. Your Country will be better for it.

"Posting long-winded threats about what Obama is going to do if elected makes you sound like a kook. Why not discuss what has and hasn't been done in the last three years."

You need to understand though that my fears are not for what has been done in the past 3 1/2 years. My fears are for the future. I don't look at it as making a threat. I look at it as a fairly intelligent PROMISE of what will happen to our Country if we re-elect him. He's laid most all of the groundwork allready in his first team. If he gets re-elected, and doesn't have to worry about the chores of being re-elected, he can (and will) devote all of his time to implementing (through executive orders, czars and unelected departments) his ideas for "fundmentally transforming America". He will turn us into a Marxist state. I, for one, don't want to live in a Marxist state. I fought in Vietnam. I saw first hand what communism is all about. I saw the bodies.

Many people don't know what Marxism is, so here, according to Webster, is a short defination: Marxism is the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.

Did you catch that line about dictatorship of the proletariat? (We, the people, are the proletariat). See, the problem with that is that establishment of a classless society never happens. There will always be classes. The elite will always think they are better than us, that they should be at the top, with the best of everything and thinking that it's the job of the rest of us to supply it to them. If we don't, if we speak out against them, they kill us. They rule by fear That's what has happened in every dictatorship throughout history, without exception, and it will happen here also. So yes, the future scares the sh!t out of me. If you think that makes me look like a kook, then I wear that mantle with honor and pride.

"Making bigoted remarks about Obama supporters removes all your credibilty".

I'm not a bigot, and I've never made or read a bigotted remark here about any supporter that I'm aware of, so I'm not sure where that came from. Perhaps you can give me an example?

"If you make these posts just to let off steam, just know that it damages others opinion of you. If you really wanna convince people or change minds in these internet discussions, try being a little more persuasive".

I make these posts because I view myself as a patriot. A man that deeply loves his Country and the freedoms it stands for. I don't make them to let off steam. I make them to try and let others see what has been happening to their Country and why it has been happening. Hell, it's never going to be reported in the mainstream press, so unless people like me make these types of posts a large segment of the population will never know what's about to befall them until it's too late. I'm not a great orator, nor really good with words like Willy, so you'll have to forgive me for being long-winded. But you need to understand that I'm trying to be as persuasive as is humanly possible. Don't criticise my words, listen to the thoughts behind them.

This wasn't directed at you. Sorry you took it that way. It was just a reaction after reading the entire thread. I'm not trying to stop anyone from expressing their opinions... just wanted to suggest how it can be perceived. There are several guys who post here with a left-lean, that don't necessarily like Obama. The most productive posts would help educate them, but for them to listen, they first have to respect your opinion... then they may begin to consider changing their minds. I have read a lot of good material from the likes of you and Willy and others. BTW, go back and read post #16 for an example of a bigoted remark.

[Destroyer]

Ya, I gotta agree that it could be looked at that way. I didn't. I took it to be a quote, like a slogan blacks say to blacks, something the black community was saying to other members of the black community. One only has to listen to most any black comic on the comic network on tv to hear the "n" word used constantly to refer to other blacks. It's almost like a badge of honor to them to call each other that word. It disgusts me, because I think they unwillingly help promote the very racism that they claim to abhore.

[spareparts]

I personally think the use of ht n word has been way over persecuted, I've been called far worse, by those that are offended by the n word, and by far worse people. It seems that the use of this word is now certain persecution of bigotry acts. Its just a freekin word. there's not a single word with reference to any other race that brings the distinction or ridicule that word does. In the words of some one much wiser than my self, "sticks and stone may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". A large percentage of this country's population needs to read that and start concentration on far more important matters.