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[willy]

I understand the doubts about the election in November.
I have some myself, but I know this election will decide the fate of our nation and I know in my heart that the people will change the course.
Obamination is going to be defeated and I would say by a pretty good margin.
And MJ, your not voting and others like you are the reason I have my doubts.
Get off your butt get down to the booth and pull a lever for crying out loud.
Sitting on the side lines and letting sh!t happen to you is one thing. Letting sh!t happen to your Nation is another.
JMHO

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by willy

I understand the doubts about the election in November.
I have some myself, but I know this election will decide the fate of our nation and I know in my heart that the people will change the course.
Obamination is going to be defeated and I would say by a pretty good margin.
And MJ, your not voting and others like you are the reason I have my doubts.
Get off your butt get down to the booth and pull a lever for crying out loud.
Sitting on the side lines and letting sh!t happen to you is one thing. Letting sh!t happen to your Nation is another.
JMHO

Joe I wouldn't jump up and get into too big a hurry to get to the polls...as long as the corporations and special interests are running this country, using elected officials to do their bidding...hiding behind the veil of partisan politics, it doesn't matter who's name is over the door anyway...only when we get money out of politics will we have our country back again...

As long as their vote is For Sale...our vote is worthless...every one of us should take to the streets til it's changed...

[willy]

Not good Oz, as long as men of good conscience sit on the side lines we will continue having the problems you describe.
It is the apathy of many in this country that has allowed us to fall into this precipice.
No one is going to come and hand you a government of good people, those irresponsible politicians are not going to defeat themselves.
You have to stand up and be counted. You have to stand on the principles of reducing government and its failings.
Complaining about it solves nothing. Find a Tea party Candidate you like and help him or her get elected to the senate in your state. A Congressman, a Governor, take affirmative action to advance what you believe in, be a part of the solution. At very least take ten minutes of your day and vote.
Otherwise you end up being the problem.

[Destroyer]

Anyone that thinks that their single vote doesn't count has never been in bed with a single mosquito in the room.

You CANNOT just take to the streets.. that's exactly what they want you to do. They have all the good guns, and if a few hundred people die so they can declare martial law and take away ALL our freedoms in the name of perserving peace in the nation, you can bet they will do it. It's a very short step on a very slippery slope from there to a complete socialist dictatorship led country. Just look at Venezuela as a prime example of that course of action.

You MUST vote... less than that and you are doing a diservice to yourself and your Country. Truthfully, I'd rather have someone tell me they voted for the P.O.S. that's sitting in the presidency right now then tell me they didn't care enough about their Country to at least vote.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

Decades of Left Wing engineering...hmmm...where was the GOP during all those decades?...did they step out for a SMOKE?....that single point should tell you the individuals we've sent to represent us on BOTH sides of the aisle AIN'T GETTIN it done...why?...cuz they are all there to stuff their pockets...THATS the underlying, root cause of all the problems we got...till we address this and FIX it, all this partisan bickering is pi$$ing in the ocean...for THEIR benefit and OUR loss...

Well, lets see... the Congress and the Senate were controlled by the Democrats for the 40 YEARS before President Clinton took office... and during his term the Republicans finally took control of the Congress and for the first time in 40 years we had a balanced budget. It was called the contract with America.
They cut taxes, the economy soared, the government made more money then they ever had and everything was pretty good... Then they fracked up and started spending money on pork barrel projects just like the Democrats they had kicked out, and by the time President Bush came into office we were almost right back where we started.. So in a way you're correct, but lets lay most of the blame where it belongs,. which is squarely on the backs of the left wing Democrats. 6 years vs 40+ years of control. I think we can all see who's had the more opportunities to correct things and who's lined their pockets more.

Don't misunderstand me, both sides have done a really sh!ty job of running the nation, I completely agree with you. But at least the Republicans just did a sh!ty job... they haven't tried to destroy American and change us into a socialist state.

[jeffmo]

Agendas & bought politicians are what's running this country now.
We need campaign reform....period!
until that happens a politicians vote is up to the highest bidder.
Here In Ohio we had the fight brought to us as public sector workers in the form of what was called SB5.The Republican Governor passed it off to the public as much needed reform to "supposedly" rein in the out of control costs of public sector workers salaries and benefits.In the end it was proven to be a bill that had articles hidden away within it that served no purpose other than to initially weaken and ultimately eliminate public sector unions.
As time went by and these articles were revealed to the public the Republicans pushing the bill were shown to be less than honest in the intentions.
In the end,the bill was voted down by a huge 63% saying NO to it.
This bill,which was very similar to the one in Wisconsin and some other states was simply put,an ALEC agenda item that was put into place by these Republican Governors.The reason for these bils? Well,as I said,the public was told that the new legislation was to help cut skyrocketing public employee costs.Again,when the truth was revealed,their efforts suffered.The true intent of these bils serves only one purpose,to initially weaken and ultimately eliminate public sector unions.the reason is simple.Without the unions the Republican party would have eliminated much of the Democrats ability to finance a Presidential campaign.Here in Ohio the Republican party Chairman publicly stated that their intentions were to "break the union by forcing them to spend their money twice so that they would be broke when the Presidential campaign came around".
IF,and I hope it doesn't happen,the ALEC organization and the Republican party were to be successful,it would cause the largest political power shift this nation has ever witnessed.My personal opinion it that NEITHER party should ever have such lopsided control of our government.
the current situation we are witnessing it that there are 2 dominant views in our nation,the ultra right and the ultra left with no middle ground and very little gets done because of it.

[willy]

That my friend is a very unionesque view of what is going on. Coming from thirty years in a public sector union I know as well that most of what you said is not correct.
The fact opf the matter ois that in many states public sector unions are controlling state politics to the extent that it is destroying the states.
There is no getting around that period. Here in NJ the teachers union for example are crushing the citizens with budgets and taxes that are driving people out of the state.
You cannot afford to live here especially if you are on a fixed income like a retiree.
Unions are contributing their money to left wing social engineering and the heads of the major unions like Trumka are literally out and out communists and freely admit it.
Unions like the AFLCIO and SEIU are the major backers and thugs for the demo/socialist party and everyone in the country knows it.
Many in the unions cannot stand these sh!tbirds but have no say where their money goes.
That is wrong and everyone knows that too.
Unions are a good thing, being organized and making sure working conditions are safe and bargaining for contracts are needed, but what has happened here in the U.S is the public sector workers in particular are earning on average thirty percent more than the people in the private sector doing the same job and those folks are paying their wages and benefits.
On top of that the public sector employees have increased many fold under the Obamination's regime, all for more power to the left in this country.
While I support a private sector unions right to push for their members what we have in this country for decades now is out of control federal and state spending and the wages and benefits for those workers are now bankrupting the country.
Every single tom dick and harry in this country knows it. It is just that the unions, especially their leadership could not care less.
And there in a nut shell is where it is at.