subaru or volvo??

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

Not to sound cynical or anything, but your going to base your opinion of all domestics off of one bad apple? It would probably shock you to know that the POS engine(yes the 2.7L was a POS from the get go as I worked for DODGE when it came out and the techs all pointed out the faults from the get go and CHRYSLER did nothing) you quote was built and designed in a paretnership with MERCEDES BENZ? If you think back MERCEDES and CHRYSLER joined forces in 95, and in 96 the POWERTECH series engines started to come out. The 2.7L was one of them along with the redesigned 4.0L JEEP, and the 4.7L DODGE engine(used in the JEEP first). And not all 2.7L engines died, the majority of failures with them were due to extended oil change intervals plugging the oil galleys(that engine NEEDED the oil changed every 3K miles). I've seen them run well over 100K miles, and still look brand new inside. In the 70's the imports were far and away better than the domestic made cars, I will agree with this. But by the early 90's the domestic cars had become every bit as good if not better than many imports. Yes there are bad apples with any manufacturers as I could go on and on pointing out bad apples in ALL of them. Push comes to shove though as a whole, the domestic made cars are every bit as good now as any import.

Well, I'm 67, I've been driving since 1961. That's over 50 years of driving. Up to the Honda all I"ve ever owned is American vehicles. I've paid my dues. So no, I'm not basing my opinion on only one vehicle.. There have been several along the line.. My fathers 84? Buick that ate head gaskets every 6 months. My friends Ford mustang with a 5.0 engine that loved rear ends. My 92 Dodge Dynasty with a great (3.3L) engine married to a tranny that would only go about 70,000 miles before needing to be rebuilt, my sons Chevy Baretta that blew clutches on a regular basis.... the list is endless... and I still refused to buy foreign born during all of that... Right up until my wifes Intrepid with the 2.7. The rest is history. I found out that what millions of people were saying about the Honda Accord was 100% correct. It's simply a great car.

And yes, I know all about Chrysler being owned by Daimler/Benz. As a matter of fact, that was one of my reasons for going with the Honda. I figured that since most auto companys were international anyways, it really didn't matter that much what brand I bought. I know that technically if a car maker has a foreign headquarters then some money leaves our shores..and that gives me pause to think, but we still have the Honda and she (my wife) still loves it. And I'd like to point out that my 98 Jeep Cherokee with it's inline 4.0L engine is still in my possession, (Which was an engine originally designed by AMC btw) It's run almost daily and I still get an honest 20 mpg highway. In my opinion it's one of the two greatest 6 cyl engines ever built, the other being the Chrysler 225 ci slant 6. I haven't eschewed American iron totally, but I have had to rethink my opinions about buying it exclusively.

[randlemanboater]

Back to your original question CTT...my Mom and Uncle have both had real good luck with Subarus and real bad luck with Volvos.

Of course the Ford Volvos may be better.