More jobs go overseas...

[RWilson2526]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

. My God, wake up and smell the roses people... get informed!!!

I think that's a little harsh.....

Contrary to what you may believe Destroyer, people other than yourself are informed. We all just don't choose to consider every bit of good news as a pack of lies and all the bad news as the evil villain Obama's fault. You're hatred of the guy is starting to blind you to all information contrary to your beliefs. They have been using the same formula to calculate unemployment rates for some time I believe. I agree the number is probably not accurate to say the least but it should be relative from month to month.....will you just take an inkling of possible good news and be happy for the country and go with it and not turn it into the grand conspiracy of lies.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by RWilson2526

I think that's a little harsh.....

Contrary to what you may believe Destroyer, people other than yourself are informed. We all just don't choose to consider every bit of good news as a pack of lies and all the bad news as the evil villain Obama's fault. You're hatred of the guy is starting to blind you to all information contrary to your beliefs. They have been using the same formula to calculate unemployment rates for some time I believe. I agree the number is probably not accurate to say the least but it should be relative from month to month.....will you just take an inkling of possible good news and be happy for the country and go with it and not turn it into the grand conspiracy of lies.

Naaa.. not harsh... mild really from what I would have liked to say.

Ask yourself....Are you,...are you really informed? Or are you just parrotting what you've heard from the news? It's a given fact that most of the media is controled by ultra left wing interests. Fox is just one network against CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, and several others that I'm just too lazy to name... but you get the idea. And the left just hates it and has been doing everything that it can to get it off the air. Meanwhile, you're being spoon fed only those things that they want you to hear, and anything that goes against their agenda they either destroy, create lies about or simply don't report. When you hear the same lie, over and over, from several different sources, pretty soon you start to believe it as fact. It's called propaganda and it worked really well in Germany in the 30's and 40's. You're being subjected to it right this minute and you don't even realize it because you aren't listening to or hearing any other side. It's interesting how when you hear only one side of a subject how biased you become. (And please understand that when I say "you" I mean the "royal" you, meaning the entire American public, not just any one person here on the board)

As for me, I like to think of myself as a highly conservative Independant. I vote Democratic and Republican, depending on who I think is best for the job. I read the NY Times (left wing) and the Wall street Journal (right wing). I listen to NBC news (left wing) and Fox news (right wing) I consider the future of our country and of myself and my children to be far too important to trust any one source, or any one side of a subject. As to the subject at hand, (unemployment and how it's reported) unfortunately, the not counting people whose benefits have run out started with a Republican president. The present administration has just taken it to new heights of lying to the American public. They changed the formula a few months ago so it would look like unemployment has gotten better. It hasn't..it's as bad as it has been, and if anything it's getting worse. They're lying to you.

And really, I don't hate Obama. I even admire him. The way he's been able to fool the American public, his debating skills, his complete and almost total control of the media, his being able to blank out his childhood and any records that might prove who he really is or where he really came from is skillful to an extreme. You have to admire a guy like that. I think that he's absolutely the worse president that our Country has ever had, and I worry that we may never be able to undo the damage to our freedom(s) that he's caused, but I don't hate him. I'm not blind to what or who he is. After all, in order to destroy your enemy you have to know your enemy, and I intend to do everything in my power to help destroy him in the next election. So I need to know him. I read, and I listen, and I learn. That's all I'm asking of everyone else here. Listen, I mean really LISTEN to BOTH sides before you make any decision...I think that's fair, don't you?

[aussie]

hi its the same over here if not worse we have lost alot of companys here that have gone to asia we are alot closer and easier to do . Ithink our main problem here is getting people young ones to start work with a lower paid jobs. OUR young generation dont want to start from the bottom of the ladder and as for housing and car the want the best and new .We also have 1000s of imagraints coming here and take our jobs which is no fault of theres we would loose thoses companys to if it wasnt for them''''where i live is a lot of fruit farms they get asians to come here on working holidays to pick fruit work that out i think its all the same in big countrys

[Blue_Runner]

I agree about the propaganda.

I guess the point was that a US president should never appoint a CEO to head a commission on job creation? Or is it that a CEO should never try to make thier company as profitable as possible? Or is it both? I fail to see how this is a significant lack of leadership on the president's part?

Not to say his leadership isn't lacking in other ways!

The author was clever, no doubt, but overall a very weak attempt at drawing that parallel. I can see the comedic value in the sarcastic conclusion, but I'm afraid others are being "propagandatized" by stuff like this. And you are exactly right, when you hear it over and over and over, you start to believe it.

So let's get this straight.
Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar).Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess Obama forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.

Thanks Jeff, you're a "real" American....give Barrack our Best !!
If this doesn't show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don't know what does.

[RWilson2526]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

They changed the formula a few months ago so it would look like unemployment has gotten better. It hasn't..it's as bad as it has been, and if anything it's getting worse. They're lying to you.

Talking strictly about the unemployment rate (currently 8.3%) you're going to have to show me from some source where you think they changed the way it is calculated in the last few months. The BLS calls people every month and asks them if they are working or not and if not are they looking for work . Period....the unemployment benefits running out is not even factored into this number.....the number is not accurate by any means I'm sure but when its going up things are getting worse and when its going down things are getting better. Period. "Better" being a relative term as compared to last month, not the 1980's or Pre-Obama or whatever period you want to compare it to. Yes I know those working now arent making what they used to and the underemployed numbers and all that...but last month they were not working at all according to the survey and this month they are.

Blue beat me to my final point....the only reason I engage in these conversations is when I see these emails/stories that float around that are so misleading it just makes me nuts. Most people will not even click on the link that's attached and read the story which many times directly contradicts what's stated in the opening sentence..... and also thanks to BlueRunner I have a new word in my dictionary...."propagandatized"

[nipper]

I used to enjoy visiting this site a lot for the boating related fun and advice as well as the "Off Topic" stuff regarding family, friends, kids, vacations, music, cars, motorcycles, good eats, other interests and hobbies, etc. (including but not limited to the bikini supermodels!). I can go elsewhere for vitriolic political diatribe. Just because folks have a different opinion on an issue does not mean they are uninformed, spoon -fed and unpatriotic.

[Destroyer]

RW, you'll have your proof shortly. It will take me a while to look it up since it's several months old. And I never said that the formula they changed was for unemployment figures. The formula I was talking about was for how they report jobs and how it relates to unemployment. As I said, the present regime has simply taken lying about the present unemployment figures to a new height.

Nipper, no one said that anyone was unpatriotic.. please don't go putting any words into anyone's mouth. Nor did anyone say that anyone was uninformed... Misinformed perhaps, but that simply refers to the point I was making about everyone being spoon fed misinformation by the left wing controlled media so as to advance their cause. It is called propaganda and yes, it is happening.

Finally, Blue, I agree that 6 men (jobs) being transfered to China isn't all that much, nor is the proported 65 engineers that, according to the article, will be hired and trained over there. (Unless of course you happen to be one of the 65 engineers here in the US that doesn't have a job because of it). I think that the point of the article was to show that the person that is supposed to be in charge of keeping jobs here in the US is, in fact, outsourcing jobs to the very country he's supposed to be keeping jobs from. To me, that smacks of hypocrasy (sp) and I think that was the thrust of the article.

[reelapeelin]

This kind of division is exactly what the political machines on left and right WANT...because as long as we're down in the trenches fighting each other, they can get away w/robbing us blind of our lives and treasure and no one will ever notice til it's too late...talkin' about INFORMED...these parasites are milking their positions dry, selling their votes and influence to whoever offers them money....and it doesn't matter if it's domestic or foreign...I'm as pissed about Obama as anybody, but if we think anythings gonna really change once he's gone...if we think the tide of jobs going overseas will turn then we're fooling ourselves....

when we pull our heads outta the political party sand and come together as AMERICANS instead of two divided ideologies, we'll get this country back...till then we'll just keep on gettin' screwed from the LEFT and the RIGHT just depending on who collected the most money from special interests and got themselves elected...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

This kind of division is exactly what the political machines on left and right WANT...because as long as we're down in the trenches fighting each other, they can get away w/robbing us blind of our lives and treasure and no one will ever notice til it's too late...talkin' about INFORMED...these parasites are milking their positions dry, selling their votes and influence to whoever offers them money....and it doesn't matter if it's domestic or foreign...I'm as pissed about Obama as anybody, but if we think anythings gonna really change once he's gone...if we think the tide of jobs going overseas will turn then we're fooling ourselves....

when we pull our heads outta the political party sand and come together as AMERICANS instead of two divided ideologies, we'll get this country back...till then we'll just keep on gettin' screwed from the LEFT and the RIGHT just depending on who collected the most money from special interests and got themselves elected...

I completely agree Reel... As a matter of fact, after my last post I sat thinking and came to the conclusion that the tone of this discussion had turned "antagonistic" and personal. I've gone to great lengths to not single out any one person and to make sure that anyone that read anything that I wrote understood that I was writing about society as a whole and not anyone here as an individual. Unfortunatly, some of the responses did not follow the same venue. The last thing that I want is any bad feelings, so I've decided that I'm going to try to not make any more posts other than wishing people well, happy beirthday, etc.

That being said though, let me ask you and everyone else here one final question. (If what you say is correct, and I have no doubt that it is).

How do we fix it without discussing it?

See, I've always thought that you cannot fix any problem unless you discuss the possible causes and solutions with the other people that are involved. And I completely agree with you that we, (the American public) needs to wake up and get our heads out of the political party sand. But how do we do that without discussion? So I ask again.... how do we do it?