Unfortunately True..

[ssiredfish]

Well put Ridge.......

If its against the law to take f'n Seabass........consider me Al Capone.

In my mind, and several others, I'm no more a criminal than they (NOAA) are.

Here's how I plan on getting around this......

If you go to the SAFMC website and click the "regulations by species" on the left, a printable document comes up. The same one they mail out annually. Inside you will notice that Seabass is currently 15/per and Red Snapper is 2/per with gear restrictions in place.

Now when I show this DNR/FWC after being accused of harvesting a closed specie, not over the limit mind you, I will show him the document I printed off stating the aforementioned. I will tell him that I was told to go online to check the current regs and this is what I found. When he tells me these aren't the regs anymore is when I drop the haymaker.......Well sir, there may have been more accurate info on there but this was THE BEST DATA AVAILABLE

see for yourself....... http://www.safmc.net/FishIDandRegs/R...8/Default.aspx

[THEFERMANATOR]

Originally Posted by ssiredfish

Well put Ridge.......

If its against the law to take f'n Seabass........consider me Al Capone.

In my mind, and several others, I'm no more a criminal than they (NOAA) are.

Here's how I plan on getting around this......

If you go to the SAFMC website and click the "regulations by species" on the left, a printable document comes up. The same one they mail out annually. Inside you will notice that Seabass is currently 15/per and Red Snapper is 2/per with gear restrictions in place.

Now when I show this DNR/FWC after being accused of harvesting a closed specie, not over the limit mind you, I will show him the document I printed off stating the aforementioned. I will tell him that I was told to go online to check the current regs and this is what I found. When he tells me these aren't the regs anymore is when I drop the haymaker.......Well sir, there may have been more accurate info on there but this was THE BEST DATA AVAILABLE

see for yourself....... http://www.safmc.net/FishIDandRegs/R...8/Default.aspx

This excuse will get you a hefty fine, and cost you your catch. I know for teh gulf regs there is an exclusino wrote into the fine print that specificly says these regs can change at any time. Years back I remember you had to radio in for red snapper season to make sure it hadn't closed yet over here as it changed hourly.

[ssiredfish]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

....says these regs can change at any time.

They tell us to check the internet. I checked the internet and this is what I found.....hence "the best data available" line......

As far as the fine, good luck with that holdin up as I have a printed document from them that states otherwise. Its not my fault that their website is hypocritical and I think a judge would see my side of that argument.

More importantly, I'm not going to be one those that just sits on the couch and gives up saying, "oh well, thats what the rules are. I guess I'll just sit here and sniff the cat's butt...." No sir I will not!!!!

A couple hundred years ago a few guys broke the rules set forth by tyrants they knew to be false and misrepresenting and impeded their pursuit for happiness and man's inherent right to provide for himself and family. Maybe a different scenario today but is it not the same?????

Besides, Im pretty sure T-Jeff and the crew would come Seabassn' with me

[Blue_Runner]

SSI, the best way is to not get accused in the first place, hint, hint.

p.s. I refuse to go more than 9 MPH over the speed limit. Most of the time I go 5 to 7 over on the interstate, in good driving conditions.

Question - why is it that the law, for the most part, turns a blind eye to speeders that speed b/t 5 - 9 over the speed limit? We don't see our DNR letting people off for a fish that is 1 millimeter too short or 1 fish over the bag limit? This seems really really backwards to me. Speeding can cause loss of life, your own and/or other innocent lives. Poaching can cause unsustainable wildlife shortages. Obviously the one that involves loss of life should be more strict and more heavily enforced.

Solution: Let the state HWP trade places with DNR. Our roads become safer and SAFMC's dumb @ss laws won't be as strictly enforced.

[ssiredfish]

Thats a good point you have there. Guess it just comes down to discretion but why???

As for being accused, I'll be the first to say it, I'm keepin my Seabass and will continue to support and abide by the previous creel limits. You can call me a poacher or whatever you want but before you do know that I have assisted in more conservation projects(tagging/data collection/catch and release) in my few years then most would in a lifetime. Its complete BS. They know it, admittedly, and I know it....guess it will be to the officer's DISCRETION.

Prohibition didn't last........why?

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner

SSI, the best way is to not get accused in the first place, hint, hint.

p.s. I refuse to go more than 9 MPH over the speed limit. Most of the time I go 5 to 7 over on the interstate, in good driving conditions.

Question - why is it that the law, for the most part, turns a blind eye to speeders that speed b/t 5 - 9 over the speed limit? We don't see our DNR letting people off for a fish that is 1 millimeter too short or 1 fish over the bag limit? This seems really really backwards to me. Speeding can cause loss of life, your own and/or other innocent lives. Poaching can cause unsustainable wildlife shortages. Obviously the one that involves loss of life should be more strict and more heavily enforced.

Solution: Let the state HWP trade places with DNR. Our roads become safer and SAFMC's dumb @ss laws won't be as strictly enforced.

Blue, you're looking at it the wrong way.. What you really should be saying is "Why is there a speed limit in the first place"??? Think about it.. Where in the constitution does it say anything about speeders getting fines? Hell, where does it even mention speeders? Where does it say that driving is a privilage, not a guarantee? The fact is we've let the "lawmakers" of this land make law after law after law limiting what we can and cannot do, all in the name of "Safety"... Well, here's a news flash for everyone... SPEEDING DOES NOT CAUSE ACCIDENTS.. Yes, if you get into an accident at a higher speed the chances are that you'll recieve a more serious injury, but the act of speeding itself doesn't cause the accident. Survey after survey has found that you are just as likely to get into an accident at 30 mph as you are to get into one at 70.

I work for a very successful real estate development company. I take ckecks to various towns all the time to pay for building premits, electrical permits, plumbing premits, occupancy premits, elevator permits, permit permits, just about any kind of permit you can think of... We pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just for permits in order to build a warehouse. Permits are nothing but cash cows for towns... In 1934 my grandfather built his homd in Belleville, NJ. That home sold 5 years ago when my uncle died for over $600,000. My grandfather did not need a single permit in order to build the house. My point of this rant is that unless we, the people, start electing people that think like we do, we are doomed to forever being ruled by an elite class that think they know more than we do and make lots of laws to protect us from ourselves. Most times completely unnecessarly. The fishing bans are a great example.

[RidgeRunner]

Lots more traction on this topic than anticipated. Laws have importance in society. It all began with warning labels. LOL.

Prosecution: "Mr. Siredfish, Where were you at 10:43 am on Nov. 3, 2011? Is this or is this not a copy of your itterations on WellcraftV20.com? And do I have the best data available?"

I'm with you, just not sure about skating with that defense.
The FWC guy said that people will take no matter what the rules state.
No **** sherlock! There are fish species worth protecting but get real. There is no shortage of goliath grouper, black sea bass, redfish, trout, or amber jack. Don't have any first hand data on grouper or red snapper but the folks at Florida Sportsman caught plenty of large red snapper in a size group the Feds claimed there simply weren't any.

What techniques do they use to count all the fish in the ocean anyway?

[ssiredfish]

Originally Posted by RidgeRunner

Lots more traction on this topic than anticipated. Laws have importance in society. It all began with warning labels. LOL.

Prosecution: "Mr. Siredfish, Where were you at 10:43 am on Nov. 3, 2011? Is this or is this not a copy of your itterations on WellcraftV20.com? And do I have the best data available?"

I'm with you, just not sure about skating with that defense.
The FWC guy said that people will take no matter what the rules state.
No **** sherlock! There are fish species worth protecting but get real. There is no shortage of goliath grouper, black sea bass, redfish, trout, or amber jack. Don't have any first hand data on grouper or red snapper but the folks at Florida Sportsman caught plenty of large red snapper in a size group the Feds claimed there simply weren't any.

What techniques do they use to count all the fish in the ocean anyway?

Man if they found this thread to use against me that guy deserves a raise

Whats funny is that I think if you were to ask enough fisherman they would tend to say that the Grouper need more protection and not the aforementioned species. They could have a majority on their side as opposed but they want to hammer the stuff we know there is an abundance of. Anyway, better bite my tongue before they do find this......

I think they use hook and line, traps and diver counts to assess numbers but I heard the problem is that they grid an area out and fish it completely as opposed to going where the fish are and fishing multiple areas like the fisherman do. While they may be thorough, they isolate themselves geographically which is going to lead to a misrepresentation.......