No more middle class???

[Seacurity]

amen!

[Blue_Runner]

I believe life is what you make of it. If at any point we get fed up with this country, guess what???

There are over 190 countries in the world to choose from!

[Seacurity]

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner

I believe life is what you make of it. If at any point we get fed up with this country, guess what???

There are over 190 countries in the world to choose from!

Sure that would be easy if you are a loner and have no family to leave behind. Besides, why run? Why don't we try and fix what we broke and get back to the USA we all feel so proud of????

[Blue_Runner]

I think you missed my point Sea, I was trying to make the point that each of us are in full control of our own destiny, with a little humor thrown in (which was the reason for the c o c k-eyed, push-up, tongue waggin' smiley at the end).

[Seacurity]

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner

I think you missed my point Sea, I was trying to make the point that each of us are in full control of our own destiny, with a little humor thrown in (which was the reason for the c o c k-eyed, push-up, tongue waggin' smiley at the end).

Got yah!

[reelapeelin]

As long as LOBBYISTS are allowed to run around handing out money to our greedy politicians, none of this entire discussion or any discussion about politics is worth having...in case you haven't noticed, this has become a government FOR the Special Intersts BY the Lobbyists...I'm done talkin about politics...waste of time...how about a good thread about fornicating bugs or somethin'!!...

[willy]

RW I do agree there is a lot of labeling going around. Some labeling is accurate and some misleading. I have never been one in my life to lump people into groups, or play group and identity politics.
In truth, there is a political party that has been doing that with Americans for decades and I have watched it year after year and so have you. What has been said and done with the black population in this country is a classic example. Never in history has so much been done for a minority that has been done here. Government figures indicate over six trillion dollars in the past six decades. Yet though many have taken advantage of all the money, programs, education, health care and job preferences etc. the FBI Uniform Crime Report indicates every year that over 70 % of the violent crime in our nation is committed by 5% of our population, black males between the ages of 16-26.
Illegitimate child birth is rising with over 50% of black children born out of wedlock with no father around. Drop out rates in schools among blacks is over 60% in all our urban areas. Food stamps, welfare social security medicare all rising every year.
They are a dependent society, and their so called leaders are millionaires seeking power and money keeping them there as are the Democratic Party who are using them for their own political gain.
The same is done separating Americans in dozens of other ways, Christians, ***s, blacks, whites, Hispanics, Conservative, moderate, etc.
This is the ability in which the democratic party has really shined, and gained power doing it.
In reality all of these groups have more in common than most realize.
In a nutshell what Beck does is provide you facts, facts a bought and agenda based press will not let you see. Sometimes I find his personality a little odd, but I know this, he loves America, all of America regardless of your skin color, religion or ethnic background. And he, like myself will not allow our nation to fail in our generation. He like myself strongly believe that while government and the belief in God have to remain separate they are intertwined and that our Nation was founded on the Judeo Christian principles and that to deny or trivialize that is foolish, stupid, and a lie.
As far as having universal health care, well I do like the idea, I like many of the Utopian ideals I have seen in my life, like universal peace, universal sharing of all the worlds resources, universal hot chics for all the retired Police Detectives, etc. etc.
One problem, they do not work, we do not have the money for it, we are in such financial debt right now that our nation may not survive.
Read that again, we may not survive.
In every nation where it is in place it is a utter, catastrophic failure. It causes health care quality to decline tremendously, causes humongous debt, and leads inevitably to rationing of care to the elderly and the young.
In a few countries like Sweden it is sort of working by huge taxes on the working population, and the people are given the option to go and buy supplementary health care to cover their illnesses because the national plan cannot afford it.
Do you see world leaders flying to Sweden for serious medical care? I don't think so, they come here because it is the best. That will change dramatically and very quickly under Obamacare. As it has in England, France, Canada and every other industrialized nation that has implemented various versions of it.
I got an idea though, and I think Americans working together can make what we have even better.
What we do is follow our Constitution, restrict the Federal Government to 1/3 its current size, we follow free market principles and use the power of the free market to force down costs, we establish health care groups that buy in mass and we take some of the money that the federal government has been stealing from its citizens and use it as buying leverage for those who have a legitimate need for help.
We restrict social security to what it was originally supposed to be, to help the elderly that have not got the ability to take care of themselves and not put a gigantic multi generational dependent society face first into the trough.
You see this country was founded on principles that we can govern ourselves, we do not need a giant centralized government to take care of us. In fact history has showed repeatedly that every single nation with such a powerful government became corrupt, immoral and eventually brutal to its citizens. And it has failed.
The American Experiment was for free men to lead themselves and to act responsibly to their countrymen and their families, respect the beliefs of others and to keep what they earn. To live in a free market society.
Every single problem we have in this nation today can be traced back to the divergence we have allowed our Federal Government to commit.

[RidgeRunner]

Nicely put Destroyer and Willy. There are only two distinct classes. The working class, comprised of anyone with a job, retired or those who by no fault of their own are without a job but looking, and the outta class who have found a way to work the system to their advantage. The redistrubution of wealth pisses me off and only serves to create generation after generation of the same outta class people sucking up my tax dollars. If you find yourself in this category without any skills or education, why would you give up the gravy train government handouts to climb aboard the working class bandwagon. For starters, you are already getting a better deal taking what the government is handing out than you would working a minimum wage job. If you don't think you are getting enough government help you can always have another child or three.(The system rewards you for that) Your employer may require a drug test, as mine does, so you would likely need to quit drinking and doing drugs to get hired in the first place, because you will be required to take responsibility for your actions and show up on time.(Basically becoming a contributing member of the Republic) Then after 10 years working dead end jobs and getting your EIC every year (That would be the refund of all that you paid in for the year in Income Taxes plus a bit of what I paid in for the year) you will aspire to earn enough money so that you can turn around and give roughly 10% (soon to be 15%) of your hard working money to the government (IRS) so they can dole it out to all those who are milking the system and have no intention of working (See Obama's Illegal Immigrant Kenyan Auntie Living in Massachussetts Government Housing and collecting a Social Security Check) To the libs in Mass, WTF? (Off track? Yes, Because politics in Mass are way the he// of track.)

The working class has some really rich guys, not all are poor like me. Some of those really rich guys were directly responsible for running GM and Chrysler into Bankruptcy. Yet others start corporations and hire workers to make things or offer services. I am in the same class. I choose to collaborate with the businessman that pays my wage. If I am lucky and work hard I too may become rich by moving up the ladder or starting my own business. That is why I vote Republican. "Republicans are for the rich" is a misguided concept. I hear it all the time from the liberal media. A poor man voting for a Democrat is the right thing to do because the Democrats will protect the working class. Horse Hockey! Democrats will keep the Entitlements coming and in doing so foster the lazy folks lifestyle. Republicans know how to get things done and because they like money they will use the money they have to create more by investing in business, investing in the future. What future is there with entitlements? By the way nearly all of our Congress are lawyers and most are millionaires Democrats and Republicans alike. The Dems talk big about taxing the rich at a much higher rate, it would directly affect their net worth so I ain't buying it. Lip service at best.

Obviously, nothing changes overnight. But my point is that handouts DO CREATE LAZY INDIVIDUALS. For the outta class to go to work at this point is inconceivable. We need jobs. We need to prop up the value of the dollar so that it will have more staying power and we need to drop crude off the CME. Nothing creates inflation like $100 +/barrel crude. Everything we consume (unless you live on a farm) gets to the final destination with fuel. And unless you are Ahmish, your farm uses tractors that run on fuel. Prohibit the shorting of the markets. Throw a few of the high profile, white collar types in jail for their counterproductive greed. Is Martha Stewart the only one that got caught with her hand in the cookie jar? Let's have an accounting of where every dollar really goes. Gut the government spending on foreign aid, consider military spending cuts. The pukeface liberal godless hippie Bill Maher claims we spend more on military spending than the next twelve countries combined. Is that really necessary? Where does all that money go? I mean are we still procuring hammers at $25/copy, $50 toilet seats? Take it all the way to the State and local government agencies. Every division of government has a budget, they spend every dime of their budget so they can get the same dollar amount or more when next years budget is passed. They never have to show a profit or justify their expenditures and that is why the government run programs will never be efficient. Hold them all accountable, right down to their pay which is outpacing the private sector.

To RWilson, great pics in your other thread BTW. Nice family you have there and above all else on this site, nice V. I kind of know what you are saying and I agree that people in politics are responsible from both sides of the isle but the European Democracy will cause our taxes to go up and with all the waste, I say NO WAY. Growing the government is not the answer. None of our current systems are efficient why would you assume new systems would be? I am not picking a fight, I respect your opinion.
We are all in the same boat, Pun Intended.

I am taxed at the highest level I am comfortable with now. Especially if you consider inflation / loss of retirement / 4 year wage freeze etc. If the government can't figure a way to make ends meet and leave me the he// alone I can assure you they will only get less in the future. I have been told by our great govt. to tighten the belt, so ordered. I have been told that retirement investments will come back (three times in my life now) BS! I am not panicked, I am trenched in with no trust in our financial system or hope for any change. I see another huge correction in the stock market soon. They called it wrong, the recession ain't over folks. The economy barely has a pulse.

In the words of Nancy Pelosi, "We aren't going to do anything until November when we have a new President." Nov- 2007 At the time I thought that odd because people were already hurting and we were already over a year into the recession, I mean what a time for party politics. In hindsight that was a step in the right direction in light of the taxpayer money that was wasted ramming Obamacare (Unconstitutional) down our throats and the fat cat bailouts that Bush started at the end of his presidency which Obama carried on. Pelosi should be hung as a traitor. The behind closed doors deals, introducing bills at 2:00 a.m., "We need to pass the bill so that everyone can see what's in it." Really Nancy, I may not be the only one that has tried to contact her on this site. Unless you are in her district, GOOD LUCK. Her constituents are fruits and nuts, last I knew HIV was still rampant in her district. HIV Positive = Not likely to obtain medical insurance, Obamacare fixes that. Coincidence?

Let's get back to some good old fashioned Parliamentary Procedure and let us have some Transparency that we were promised. Cut the pork barrel spending, amend the tax laws and close the loop holes. Make it harder to stay on welfare indefinitely.

If Obamacare IS NOT repealed or found Unconstitutional we will need to change a very old saying, "Nothing is certain in life except Death, Taxes and Obamacare."

Less National Lampoon and More Clear and Present Danger. That's all I got... Sorry if it offends, I am outta here and promise not to argue. Refute if you can rebut if you must...

[RidgeRunner]

Dammit Reel, I nearly forgot those pesky special interest groups. We have a few lobbying for our cause right now in the Lumber Business. You are correct. They have a lot of a$$ in Washington. BTW- Social Security and Medicare are not the same entitlement programs I was bashing. Those receiving those benefits had to pay their dues. It is the freeloaders that get under my skin. Wilson was typing as I was. No doubt we need REFORM. REFORM the whole damn thing. No argument here.

[macojoe]

I was born poor and will die poor! I go up and down over the years but I always end up on the sh!t end of the stick!!
I have been on the up swing the last 2 years but I just started down hill again slow but sure!
But like blue says its what you make of it!