Yamaha 225 4 stroke to heavy?

[cterrebonne]

i ran alot of engines in my time. im not sure if anyone here is running a 150/175 60deg johnrude. but the low end and mid ragne not even merc can match ( i own more mercs than j/e so its an unbiased opinion) if you are not concerned with fuel efficientcy, meaning, you might use your boat 2-3 times a month which most people can do. the 3-4k in price would not be beneficial as oppose to the fuel savings you would see. now if you needed the extra range to due fuel tank limitations then the newer technology would be a must. im sure anyone on here whos ever been in some really really snotty seas will say that nothing makes it worse than an under powered boat.

[macojoe]

If you prop it right you will have all the torque you want or need.

As for the curve in the transom, all V20's have it. I cut wedges out of a 4x4 PT on the corners, then covered with marine tex to seal and look like the rest of the bracket.

[BenFishin]

That was a good idea. did you run the bolt all the way through the 4x4? That set back is alot further back then the bracket i have but i like yours better. if you dont mind me asking how much did it run you? I have a extremly strong bracket that was custom made that i think i could sell or possibly trade someone. It has a jack plate on it as well.

As for the johnrude. i am trying to keep my next motor fuel injected and rather new 03-present. All this work i dont want to put something old on the back. I would def kill for a 175-200 etec tho. Yall keep your eyes peeled!

[THEFERMANATOR]

The 140 JOHNZUKI will have PLENTY of torque if you prop it right with a 4 blade stainless prop. Randleman is VERY happy with his even with several people on board. WHy are you so dead set on having a newer engine? Newer isn't always better. If economy is your main reason I understand, but if economy can be compromised then the 150/175 JOHNNY-RUDE is a GOOD choice. It is a bit thirsty, but not any worse than a 2.5L MERC. And also remember that ONE , just one repair on one of these newer engines can buy a couple HUNDRED gallons of fuel. The 4 strokes are proving to be pretty reliable, and so have he DFI's. But parts for these newer engines have almost turned many of them into throw-aways as most people won't spend $1500 for a compressor on an old engine that may also need a $1K worth of injector work in a OPTIMAX. Or a $1K EMM in ETEC/FICHT. I run an old school engine not because it's all I can afford, it's because when something breaks(which all of them will eventually) I can afford the parts to fix it. Newer DFI 2 strokes are VERY efficient on fuel at cruise, but as you run them harder that fuel savings goes away. To each his own, but that's my opinion on the matter.

[nymack66]

Originally Posted by THEFERMANATOR

The 140 JOHNZUKI will have PLENTY of torque if you prop it right with a 4 blade stainless prop. Randleman is VERY happy with his even with several people on board. WHy are you so dead set on having a newer engine? Newer isn't always better. If economy is your main reason I understand, but if economy can be compromised then the 150/175 JOHNNY-RUDE is a GOOD choice. It is a bit thirsty, but not any worse than a 2.5L MERC. And also remember that ONE , just one repair on one of these newer engines can buy a couple HUNDRED gallons of fuel. The 4 strokes are proving to be pretty reliable, and so have he DFI's. But parts for these newer engines have almost turned many of them into throw-aways as most people won't spend $1500 for a compressor on an old engine that may also need a $1K worth of injector work in a OPTIMAX. Or a $1K EMM in ETEC/FICHT. I run an old school engine not because it's all I can afford, it's because when something breaks(which all of them will eventually) I can afford the parts to fix it. Newer DFI 2 strokes are VERY efficient on fuel at cruise, but as you run them harder that fuel savings goes away. To each his own, but that's my opinion on the matter.

Ferm,
Your knowledge and reasoning is priceless, You just answer my question in regards to a re-power , Unless the EPA tells me 2 stroke is dead, I will stick with my Looper as a matter of fact I am in the market for a spare I will re-build it an have it ready for a Bolt up in a pinch if I ever have to, it will still be cheaper than buying a new motor. Plus I will learn even more building it ..

[BenFishin]

That is good reasoning, however, i have a 60 gallon tank and i want to be able to go further and not have to go through 50 gallons on short trips. Its an average of 20-30 miles where i fish a lot. Second off i have seen a few of the 140 suzukis for 6000-7000 with 5-6 years of warranty left. If something breaks im not concernd with how much it cost if it is under warranty. If i buy a new motor, that means a good number of years i dont have to guess the history on. I cant buy a johnny rude with a warranty. and if i had to go 20 miles to fish shoals everyday where the weather can change in a minute i think i would rather have that extra HP to get home quick and pay the xtra $ to ensure i get all the way home. There is a reason all the 25 commercial boats moored at the end of my road all have 4 strokes on them and i dont think its because of warranty or the cost of repair. because they surely dont have the money to spend in repairs. i guess its just reliability and fuel economy. Wouldnt the duration of time without a repair and the fuel economy 2 mpg VS 5-6mpg make up for the extra money required to repair the motor after the 6 year / 5 year warranty is out. Not tryin to pick a bone, i think this is a good arguement. Yours and mine. thanks a ton for the coments so far.

[Stillrunning]

Originally Posted by BenFishin

That is good reasoning, however, i have a 60 gallon tank and i want to be able to go further and not have to go through 50 gallons on short trips. Its an average of 20-30 miles where i fish a lot. Second off i have seen a few of the 140 suzukis for 6000-7000 with 5-6 years of warranty left. If something breaks im not concernd with how much it cost if it is under warranty. If i buy a new motor, that means a good number of years i dont have to guess the history on. I cant buy a johnny rude with a warranty. and if i had to go 20 miles to fish shoals everyday where the weather can change in a minute i think i would rather have that extra HP to get home quick and pay the xtra $ to ensure i get all the way home. There is a reason all the 25 commercial boats moored at the end of my road all have 4 strokes on them and i dont think its because of warranty or the cost of repair. because they surely dont have the money to spend in repairs. i guess its just reliability and fuel economy. Wouldnt the duration of time without a repair and the fuel economy 2 mpg VS 5-6mpg make up for the extra money required to repair the motor after the 6 year / 5 year warranty is out. Not tryin to pick a bone, i think this is a good arguement. Yours and mine. thanks a ton for the coments so far.

The comercial guys around me run alot of Hondas and they say its just because of what they save in fuel but remember they run a boat from sun up until 3 or 4 pm. The fuel savings alone pay for their motors in a couple of years but they also put 1600 plus hours a year on these motors. Thats why comercial guys don't get the same warranty as you would.+