How's that "Hope and Change" working?

[Larryrsf]

For those who defied their own common sense and voted for someone with ZERO experience and ZERO demonstrated ability to manage or take executive decisions, I wonder what you're thinking now?

You gave us an incompetent President! Obama is very likely to go down as the worst who ever held that office BY FAR. Blacks in particular should be ashamed of him. He has RUINED any possible chance for another black to be elected.

The next worst president, Jimmy Carter, tried and failed because he couldn't stop trying to micromanage. But he worked! He worked his butt off! He was up all night and through every weekend trying-- slaving, meeting, talking, doing whatever he could.

This lazy lout doesn't even try. Obama is fulfilling the promise his resume predicted. He cheated and lied and allowed others to fake his grades and accomplishments, even to write his books.

I knew this disaster would happen because as an experienced corporate manager, I believe resumes predict performance. I knew Obama couldn't do the job of POTUS. I knew he wouldn't even try. I knew he was dishonest and that he had never worked in his life! Why didn't you?

Larry

[spareparts]

preachin' to the choir around here

[THEFERMANATOR]

A saying I have seen alot that is fitting, "What did you expect? It's his first real job."

[RidgeRunner]

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[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

I actually like the guy. It's hard to get anywhere with the whole GOP riding your donkey.

Ummm.. so exactly how does that explain how, during his first year 2 years as president, when he had a democratic super majority in both the house and senate and could have passed ANYTHING that he passed nothing?

You should thank God that the GOP ....yes, even the RINO ones, are blocking his attempts to "fundamentally transform" America.

He and his administration have broken the law more times than ANY other president. A small sample are:

1) Obama Administration uses IRS to target conservative, Christian and pro-Israel organizations, donors, and citizens.

2) Obama has refused to enforce long-established U.S. immigration laws. For example, more than 300,000 captured illegal aliens had been processed and were awaiting deportation. Obama stopped these deportations in violation of law.

3) Congress rejected Obama's DREAM ACT – which would have granted permanent residency to many illegal aliens. So Obama enacted his own version of the DREAM ACT by Executive Order, thus directly defying Congress.

4) Obama has refused to build a double-barrier security fence along the U.S.-Mexican border in direct violation of the 2006 Secure Fence Act.

5) Obama issued, in one day, 21 separate Executive Orders that attack and undermine your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. Especially bad are Obama's Executive Orders amending the Obama-care law to allow doctors and hospitals to investigate which patients own a gun. This Executive Order could allow the federal government to track and monitor law-abiding gun owners simply because they sought medical care.

6) Obama's assault on Christians and religious freedom. Obama's Health and Human Services Department has, on its own (without Congressional approval), issued a mandate that all health insurance plans must include coverage for abortion-inducing drugs. As a result, pro-life employers and taxpayers are now effectively required by law to pay for abortions.
This mandate is an unconstitutional attack on the protections for freedom of religion and freedom of conscience in the First Amendment and the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. It also directly violates the Obama-care law which prohibits any taxpayer funds from being used to pay for abortions.

7) Obama forced Obama-care on an unwilling public through bribery and lying about its cost. Obama managed to secure passage of Obama-care by one vote in the Senate by bribing senators. In addition, Obama knowingly and blatantly lied to America and to Congress about how much Obama-care would really cost. The cost of Obama-care to the American people over the next 10 years will not be less than $1 TRILLION, as Obama promised in his nationally televised speech to the nation. Instead, the real cost of Obama-care to the Federal Treasury is $2.4 TRILLION, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. But the true cost of Obama-care is more like $10 TRILLION when you factor in the cost to the states, the cost to individual Americans who are now required to purchase Obama-approved health plans (the "Individual Mandate"), the cost of exploding health insurance premiums, the $716 billion Obama-care steals from Medicare, and the increased cost to businesses of complying with Obama-care mandates.

8) "Operation Fast & Furious" was the Obama Administration's gun-running scheme that put thousands of American-made semi-automatic weapons in the hands of Mexican drug cartels and resulted in the death of at least one U.S. Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry. Congress has now held Holder in contempt for defying congressional subpoenas and refusing to turn over thousands of Justice Department documents on Fast & Furious. President Obama asserted Executive Privilege to try to protect Holder. But for Executive Privilege to apply, Obama would have had to have known about Fast & Furious, making the President as culpable as Holder.
Investigators suspect that Fast & Furious was an effort by the Obama Administration to discredit lawful gun ownership in America by purposefully creating gun crimes, thus inducing public outcry for gun control. When it put thousands of semi-automatic weapons in the hands of Mexican drug cartels, the Obama Justice Department knew these guns would be used to commit crimes, perhaps even kill some Americans. Then Obama could say: "See how dangerous these guns are. We must ban them."

9) "Federal Communications Commission (FCC): Regulated the Internet despite a court order from the Circuit Court of Appeals for Washington, D.C. stating that the FCC does not have the power to regulate the Internet."

10) "Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): Imposed Cross-State Air Pollution Rules on the state of Texas at the last minute and without an opportunity for Texas to respond to the proposed regulation.

11) "Department of Justice (DOJ): Rejected state voter ID statutes that are similar to those already approved by the Supreme Court of the United States. DOJ ignored section 8 of the Voting Rights Act which calls for protections against voter fraud, and used section 5 to administratively block measures to protect the integrity of elections passed by state legislatures.

12) "DOJ: In violation of 10th Amendment, sued to prevent Arizona from using reasonable measures to discourage illegal immigration within its borders. Arizona has a large number of illegal immigrants, compared to other states, and needs to be able to act to reduce the number.

13) "DOJ: Went to court to stop enforcement of Alabama's immigration reform laws, which require collection of the immigration status of public school students, require businesses to use E-Verify, and prohibit illegal immigrants from receiving public benefits.

14) "White House: Made "recess appointments" to the National Labor Relations Board and Consumer Financial Protection Bureau when Congress was NOT in recess. The Obama Administration has ignored the ruling by the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals that the appointments are unconstitutional."

15) "Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC): Interfered with a Michigan church's selection of its own ministers by trying to force the church to reinstate a minister who was discharged for her disagreement with the religious doctrine of the church.

16) "Department of Energy (DOE): In 2009, the Obama Administration arbitrarily broke federal law, violated various contracts, and derailed the most studied energy project in American history at Yucca Mountain by denying it a license, thus costing the American people more than $31 billion.

17) Department of the Interior (DOI): Forced Glendale, a family-oriented town in Arizona, to become another Las Vegas against its will by granting "reservation status" to a 54-acre plot in the town, where the Tohono O'odham Indian Nation plans to build a resort and casino.

18) Without Congressional approval, Obama gutted the work requirement for welfare recipients passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.

19) In the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler, Obama illegally shortchanged bond holders in favor of Labor Unions, despite U.S. bankruptcy laws that specify that bond holders be first in line to be paid back.

20) Eager to use the killing of Osama bin Laden for political gain, Obama exposed the identity and method of operation of the Navy Seals team that conducted the operation in Pakistan, thus exposing its members to a lifetime of risk because they have been targeted for assassination by Islamist s. A short time after Obama exposed the Navy Seals' method of operation, 22 SEALs were shot down and killed in Afghanistan. It is a violation of law for the President or any American to reveal classified military secrets.

21) President Obama established an extra-constitutional top secret "kill list" of people (including Americans) who can be summarily killed on sight – presumably by drones -- without due process.

22) Obama Administration officials twisted the arms of defense contractors to not issue layoff notices in October of 2012 so as to avoid causing bad news for Obama right before the election — even though federal law (the "WARN Act") requires such notices. ; Not only is this a violation of the WARN Act, it's also an unlawful use of federal officials for campaign purposes.

23) Obama intervened militarily in Libya in 2011 without the Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act.

24) Obama knowingly lied to Congress and the American people about the killing of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi, Libya. The President and his representatives repeatedly said an anti-Islamic video sparked a spontaneous uprising in Libya that resulted in the killings even though Obama knew that the attack was a well-planned military-style assault by al Qaeda on the anniversary of September 11.

25) Michelle Obama's family trip to Africa in June of 2011, including a private safari at a South African game reserve, cost American taxpayers $424,000 for air travel alone.

Oh, and in the conspiracy theory dept, lets not forget that there is still a very real debate over whether or not he is actually an American citizen and should even be allowed to hold office in the first place. The phony "Birth Certificate" that he presented has been shown to be nothing more than 29 different Photoshop layers. each layer adding in a phony "fact" And the really funny thing about that Hawaii birth cert is that the person that certified it as "real" died in a plane crash once the details of the cover up started to be revealed.

And you like this guy? Sorry, but with all due respect, you need to get your head out of the "sand" and actually start investigating what this piece of crap, this cesspool has been and is doing to your country.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Destroyer, I can find as many poor decisions in almost every presidency over the last 100 years. I won't argue with you, you have very strongly held convictions, and I won't try to change your mind. Having said that, I still stand by my statement that "I actually like the guy"

Ummm, no, you cannot. The difference, my friend, is that while other presidents may have made some bad decisions, (no one is perfect after all) nowhere in our history has a president so blatantly flaunted the rule of law on so many occasions. This guy is one step away from becoming a dictator. No other president has issued more Executive Orders than this president, circumnavigating Congress and the Constitution of the United States for his own personal gain or the furthering of his agenda(s).

I actually like snakes. (no, really, I do) Cobras, rattlers, pit vipers, one steppers, copperheads, moccasins, corals, you name it, I like them. But I would be a complete fool to invite them into my house. To me, Obama is far more deadly than any of them, because he is killing the United States. I will not invite him into my home.

FACT: The latest Quinnipiac poll, has voted Obama the worst president in 70 years.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...ii-108507.html
and
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...hows/?page=all

If you want to support this guy, go right ahead. It's your right as an American citizen. (Well, for now at least, until he takes that away also).

[spareparts]

Ok Soggy, I'll play along,I don't know if you are trolling, being sarcastic, making conversation or actually like the guy. So for what reason do you like the guy? Enlighten us? Its always good to hear opposing views to your own

[Larryrsf]

Originally Posted by spoggy

Destroyer, I can find as many poor decisions in almost every presidency over the last 100 years. I won't argue with you, you have very strongly held convictions, and I won't try to change your mind. Having said that, I still stand by my statement that "I actually like the guy"

I love to ask people whether they would be eager to have someone drop in and take over management of the company they work for-- someone with ZERO experience in that industry and ZERO demonstrated ability to manage or lead others. How would they like that? Of course they should be horrified, knowing that guy would almost certainly run their company bankrupt-- and they would lose their job and whatever retirement they were planning on.

But these same people somehow believed Obama could suddenly measure up to function as POTUS. Amazing.

Larry

[Larryrsf]

Originally Posted by spoggy

http://www2.siena.edu/pages/179.asp?item=2566

Here's a scholarly study that places Obama at 15th overall, and his predecessor dead last in presidential ranking. I'd rather stick with studies that have some basis in fact, rather than are strictly public opinion. Unfortunately, this is only current as of 2010.

Most, not all, of that list is bogus. Each can be dissected and disproved to have been helpful to this country. And of course, Obama himself didn't do any of that stuff, the POTUS has a staff of 3000 that are paid by us taxpayers. All a good POTUS has to do is NOT INTERFERE as they do their job. Obama isn't even around enough to review and sign documents in a timely manner.

BTW, like Harry Truman, GW Bush is being resurrected fast as historians review his decisions and the underlying situation at the time. Both men had "uncommon courage" to go against the tide of conventional wisdom and make the hard decisions. Many of those have turned out to be correct.

Obama was handed a Middle East in good shape. He has allowed all those gains to be wasted. 4000 lives were spend in Iraq. All Obama had to do is negotiate a "status of forces" agreement with Maliki. He couldn't do it. He wouldn't do it because the lazy bastard wouldn't spend the time.

Larry

[RWilson2526]

Just so you know Spoggy you are not alone. But after going through two presidential elections with these guys I really can't take any more.