prop question

[aussie]

Would it right to say a stainless prop of 17 inch pitch would be the same as a 18 inch Aluminum prop ---my understanding is 2 props same pitch one steel the other aluminum the steel will give you better holeshot and more speed at wot correct ???????

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by aussie

Would it right to say a stainless prop of 17 inch pitch would be the same as a 18 inch Aluminum prop ---my understanding is 2 props same pitch one steel the other aluminum the steel will give you better holeshot and more speed at wot correct ???????

Aussie, the primary benefit of a stainless prop is that it is more efficient. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that a 17P Stainless is usually considered to be the same as a 19P Aluminum, all other things like rake and diameter being the same. The general rule of thumb is that you go down in pitch 2 inches when you change from an Aluminum to a Stainless. With Stainless you get more strength with less blade thickness, meaning less drag when the prop spins. Drag costs horsepower just to turn the prop and before thrust comes into play. Also, Stainless will not 'flatten' out like aluminum. Your 18" pitch may be functioning like a 16" at WOT due to pitch flex. The rule of thumb we always had was jump 2" of pitch when switching from alum to stainless. You may lose 100 rpm at WOT when trimmed the same as aluminum, but the cupping on a stainless prop will allow you to trim higher, bringing the rpms's back the same or even a little bit more. So yes, to answer your question, it probably would be right to say a stainless prop of 17 inch pitch would be about the same as a 18-19 inch Aluminum, all other factors being the same.

[smokeonthewater]

I disagree..... a 4 blade 17 would replace a 3 blade 18 or 19 (rule of thumb) but stainless to alum there is no automatic pitch change.... I had a 19 stainless and a 19 alum for the same boat... I got about the same holeshot with each but I got about 100 more rpm and 2-3 more mph with the stainless

[smokeonthewater]

Read this

http://www.formulapropeller.com/propellers.html

[aussie]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

Aussie, the primary benefit of a stainless prop is that it is more efficient. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that a 17P Stainless is usually considered to be the same as a 19P Aluminum, all other things like rake and diameter being the same. The general rule of thumb is that you go down in pitch 2 inches when you change from an Aluminum to a Stainless. With Stainless you get more strength with less blade thickness, meaning less drag when the prop spins. Drag costs horsepower just to turn the prop and before thrust comes into play. Also, Stainless will not 'flatten' out like aluminum. Your 18" pitch may be functioning like a 16" at WOT due to pitch flex. The rule of thumb we always had was jump 2" of pitch when switching from alum to stainless. You may lose 100 rpm at WOT when trimmed the same as aluminum, but the cupping on a stainless prop will allow you to trim higher, bringing the rpms's back the same or even a little bit more. So yes, to answer your question, it probably would be right to say a stainless prop of 17 inch pitch would be about the same as a 18-19 inch Aluminum, all other factors being the same.

im only asking from what I read the hole shot should be similar but a wot the aluminum would flex and I would think a steel prop would run smoother from not changing shape . I have 2 props same spec one aluminum one steel ill have to wait and see the benefits in performance myself seeing is believing

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by smokeonthewater

I disagree..... a 4 blade 17 would replace a 3 blade 18 or 19 (rule of thumb) but stainless to alum there is no automatic pitch change.... I had a 19 stainless and a 19 alum for the same boat... I got about the same holeshot with each but I got about 100 more rpm and 2-3 more mph with the stainless

Perhaps, but a 4 blade prop is not the same as a 3 blade prop. I said twice in my post all other things being equal. 4 blade props will give you a much better hole shot since there is 1/4 more blade area in the water...but 4 blade props will also result in more drag and a slower top end. They're great for tubing and water sports, but generally not recommended for racing or going fast..

As for an automatic pitch change, that's true, there is no such thing, because there are so many diferent variables, even between two props from the same manufacture. BUT, as a general rule of thumb, I've always found that when you switch from an Alum to a SS prop you wind up dropping 2 inches of pitch and usually get better preformance. Not all the time, not always, but generally speaking.

The reason you were getting more RPM and 2-3 more mph with your stainless is probably because at top end your aluminum prop was actually flexing slightly and you wound up running a prop with about an 18P at WOT. Stainless props don't flex like that so it was performing better.

[smokeonthewater]

well that's possible but I think it's more likely that it was due to a better designed prop... I don't believe that the alum flexes that much (some, yes) but rather the manufacturers don't generally put near the engineering into a $100 alum prop that they put into a $400 SS one.... As I understand it 90% of the performance difference is generally in the engineering

I understood what you were saying but the point is that if I had dropped 2" of pitch I would have been over rev'ing....

The reason I mentioned the 4 blade is that I think you mixed up the rule of thumb that I've always heard for 3/4 instead of al/ss

DEF not trying to point fingers... I guess you and I have just had different experiences w props....

as it is, he's not buying a prop right yet anyhow so it doesn't much matter

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by smokeonthewater

well that's possible but I think it's more likely that it was due to a better designed prop... I don't believe that the alum flexes that much (some, yes) but rather the manufacturers don't generally put near the engineering into a $100 alum prop that they put into a $400 SS one.... As I understand it 90% of the performance difference is generally in the engineering

I understood what you were saying but the point is that if I had dropped 2" of pitch I would have been over rev'ing....

The reason I mentioned the 4 blade is that I think you mixed up the rule of thumb that I've always heard for 3/4 instead of al/ss

DEF not trying to point fingers... I guess you and I have just had different experiences w props....

as it is, he's not buying a prop right yet anyhow so it doesn't much matter

Yep... totally agree. The fact is that props are so infinately variable that it's almost useless to say "this is what you have to do" vs "That is what you have to do". The ONLY way to know what prop is right for your boat is to actually know what you want your boat to do, and then try several different props until you get the one that's dialed in for your needs.

[aussie]

you guys still haven't answered my question anyone else on this forum can help lol AUSSIE

[smokeonthewater]

sure we did but I'll translate to kiwispeak.....
No it would not be correct to say ANY of what you said

read the link I posted in my first comment....