More jobs go overseas...

[aussie]

hi its the same over here if not worse we have lost alot of companys here that have gone to asia we are alot closer and easier to do . Ithink our main problem here is getting people young ones to start work with a lower paid jobs. OUR young generation dont want to start from the bottom of the ladder and as for housing and car the want the best and new .We also have 1000s of imagraints coming here and take our jobs which is no fault of theres we would loose thoses companys to if it wasnt for them''''where i live is a lot of fruit farms they get asians to come here on working holidays to pick fruit work that out i think its all the same in big countrys

[Blue_Runner]

I agree about the propaganda.

I guess the point was that a US president should never appoint a CEO to head a commission on job creation? Or is it that a CEO should never try to make thier company as profitable as possible? Or is it both? I fail to see how this is a significant lack of leadership on the president's part?

Not to say his leadership isn't lacking in other ways!

The author was clever, no doubt, but overall a very weak attempt at drawing that parallel. I can see the comedic value in the sarcastic conclusion, but I'm afraid others are being "propagandatized" by stuff like this. And you are exactly right, when you hear it over and over and over, you start to believe it.

So let's get this straight.
Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar).Immelt is supposed to help create jobs. I guess Obama forgot to tell him in which country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.

Thanks Jeff, you're a "real" American....give Barrack our Best !!
If this doesn't show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don't know what does.

[RWilson2526]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

They changed the formula a few months ago so it would look like unemployment has gotten better. It hasn't..it's as bad as it has been, and if anything it's getting worse. They're lying to you.

Talking strictly about the unemployment rate (currently 8.3%) you're going to have to show me from some source where you think they changed the way it is calculated in the last few months. The BLS calls people every month and asks them if they are working or not and if not are they looking for work . Period....the unemployment benefits running out is not even factored into this number.....the number is not accurate by any means I'm sure but when its going up things are getting worse and when its going down things are getting better. Period. "Better" being a relative term as compared to last month, not the 1980's or Pre-Obama or whatever period you want to compare it to. Yes I know those working now arent making what they used to and the underemployed numbers and all that...but last month they were not working at all according to the survey and this month they are.

Blue beat me to my final point....the only reason I engage in these conversations is when I see these emails/stories that float around that are so misleading it just makes me nuts. Most people will not even click on the link that's attached and read the story which many times directly contradicts what's stated in the opening sentence..... and also thanks to BlueRunner I have a new word in my dictionary...."propagandatized"

[nipper]

I used to enjoy visiting this site a lot for the boating related fun and advice as well as the "Off Topic" stuff regarding family, friends, kids, vacations, music, cars, motorcycles, good eats, other interests and hobbies, etc. (including but not limited to the bikini supermodels!). I can go elsewhere for vitriolic political diatribe. Just because folks have a different opinion on an issue does not mean they are uninformed, spoon -fed and unpatriotic.

[Destroyer]

RW, you'll have your proof shortly. It will take me a while to look it up since it's several months old. And I never said that the formula they changed was for unemployment figures. The formula I was talking about was for how they report jobs and how it relates to unemployment. As I said, the present regime has simply taken lying about the present unemployment figures to a new height.

Nipper, no one said that anyone was unpatriotic.. please don't go putting any words into anyone's mouth. Nor did anyone say that anyone was uninformed... Misinformed perhaps, but that simply refers to the point I was making about everyone being spoon fed misinformation by the left wing controlled media so as to advance their cause. It is called propaganda and yes, it is happening.

Finally, Blue, I agree that 6 men (jobs) being transfered to China isn't all that much, nor is the proported 65 engineers that, according to the article, will be hired and trained over there. (Unless of course you happen to be one of the 65 engineers here in the US that doesn't have a job because of it). I think that the point of the article was to show that the person that is supposed to be in charge of keeping jobs here in the US is, in fact, outsourcing jobs to the very country he's supposed to be keeping jobs from. To me, that smacks of hypocrasy (sp) and I think that was the thrust of the article.

[reelapeelin]

This kind of division is exactly what the political machines on left and right WANT...because as long as we're down in the trenches fighting each other, they can get away w/robbing us blind of our lives and treasure and no one will ever notice til it's too late...talkin' about INFORMED...these parasites are milking their positions dry, selling their votes and influence to whoever offers them money....and it doesn't matter if it's domestic or foreign...I'm as pissed about Obama as anybody, but if we think anythings gonna really change once he's gone...if we think the tide of jobs going overseas will turn then we're fooling ourselves....

when we pull our heads outta the political party sand and come together as AMERICANS instead of two divided ideologies, we'll get this country back...till then we'll just keep on gettin' screwed from the LEFT and the RIGHT just depending on who collected the most money from special interests and got themselves elected...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

This kind of division is exactly what the political machines on left and right WANT...because as long as we're down in the trenches fighting each other, they can get away w/robbing us blind of our lives and treasure and no one will ever notice til it's too late...talkin' about INFORMED...these parasites are milking their positions dry, selling their votes and influence to whoever offers them money....and it doesn't matter if it's domestic or foreign...I'm as pissed about Obama as anybody, but if we think anythings gonna really change once he's gone...if we think the tide of jobs going overseas will turn then we're fooling ourselves....

when we pull our heads outta the political party sand and come together as AMERICANS instead of two divided ideologies, we'll get this country back...till then we'll just keep on gettin' screwed from the LEFT and the RIGHT just depending on who collected the most money from special interests and got themselves elected...

I completely agree Reel... As a matter of fact, after my last post I sat thinking and came to the conclusion that the tone of this discussion had turned "antagonistic" and personal. I've gone to great lengths to not single out any one person and to make sure that anyone that read anything that I wrote understood that I was writing about society as a whole and not anyone here as an individual. Unfortunatly, some of the responses did not follow the same venue. The last thing that I want is any bad feelings, so I've decided that I'm going to try to not make any more posts other than wishing people well, happy beirthday, etc.

That being said though, let me ask you and everyone else here one final question. (If what you say is correct, and I have no doubt that it is).

How do we fix it without discussing it?

See, I've always thought that you cannot fix any problem unless you discuss the possible causes and solutions with the other people that are involved. And I completely agree with you that we, (the American public) needs to wake up and get our heads out of the political party sand. But how do we do that without discussion? So I ask again.... how do we do it?

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I completely agree Reel... As a matter of fact, after my last post I sat thinking and came to the conclusion that the tone of this discussion had turned "antagonistic" and personal. I've gone to great lengths to not single out any one person and to make sure that anyone that read anything that I wrote understood that I was writing about society as a whole and not anyone here as an individual. Unfortunatly, some of the responses did not follow the same venue. The last thing that I want is any bad feelings, so I've decided that I'm going to try to not make any more posts other than wishing people well, happy beirthday, etc.

That being said though, let me ask you and everyone else here one final question. (If what you say is correct, and I have no doubt that it is).

How do we fix it without discussing it?

See, I've always thought that you cannot fix any problem unless you discuss the possible causes and solutions with the other people that are involved. And I completely agree with you that we, (the American public) needs to wake up and get our heads out of the political party sand. But how do we do that without discussion? So I ask again.... how do we do it?

That's the easy part, Destroyer...redirect your anger at those who are the real threat...I contend that to be our lawmakers, elected officials, politicians...whatever you decide to call them...there is not one problem we have today, that wasn't CAUSED or ALLOWED by Congress and the Executive Branches of our modern day government...that over the last 30-40 years while Dems AND Reps have come and gone...

The guys who disagreed w/you ARE NOT the problem...liberals ARE NOT your problem...conservatives ARE NOT the problem...healthy discussions of different points of view shouldn't be sensored...and shouldn't be escalated into WWIII levels. But we are human and emotions are many times brought into discussion...It makes me as mad as hell to watch what our government is doing to us...but just gettin mad ain't gonna CHANGE anything...staying calm and finding ways to come together against the people who seek to rob us of our money and rights will get the job done...and admitting there are those on BOTH sides of the aisle...if every Dem dropped dead tomorrow, the lobbyists wouldn't go away...if every Rep croaked 1st thing in the morning, the Dems would still be on the take...your vote doesn't mean a thing when theirs is FOR SALE...THAT'S our enemy...and we should be DEMANDING it STOP and focusing that DEMAND toward Washington..not each other...

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by reelapeelin

That's the easy part, Destroyer...redirect your anger at those who are the real threat...I contend that to be our lawmakers, elected officials, politicians...whatever you decide to call them...there is not one problem we have today, that wasn't CAUSED or ALLOWED by Congress and the Executive Branches of our modern day government...that over the last 30-40 years while Dems AND Reps have come and gone...

The guys who disagreed w/you ARE NOT the problem...liberals ARE NOT your problem...conservatives ARE NOT the problem...healthy discussions of different points of view shouldn't be censored...and shouldn't be escalated into WWIII levels. But we are human and emotions are many times brought into discussion...It makes me as mad as hell to watch what our government is doing to us...but just gettin mad ain't gonna CHANGE anything...staying calm and finding ways to come together against the people who seek to rob us of our money and rights will get the job done...and admitting there are those on BOTH sides of the aisle...if every Dem dropped dead tomorrow, the lobbyists wouldn't go away...if every Rep croaked 1st thing in the morning, the Dems would still be on the take...your vote doesn't mean a thing when theirs is FOR SALE...THAT'S our enemy...and we should be DEMANDING it STOP and focusing that DEMAND toward Washington..not each other...

I'm sorry, I thought that I had made it clear, I'm not angry at any one group. I'm angry at the system. I'm a conservative. I don't want people changing my Country or it's laws.

Reel, those are good words...fine words... intelligent words... and you're completely correct... You're saying what I've been trying to say for a while now. But don't you see? All you've done is identify the problem.. you've identified who is responsible... and i think we all know, to one sort or another, that what you've said is correct. but you didn't answer my question. You answered who is to blame. And I asked how do we fix it.

See, here's the problem. The US Congress is made up of 100 Senators and 435 Representatives. While the Representatives are commonly referred to as "Congressman", in fact all 535 members of Congress are technically Congressmen and women. The term of a Representative is 2 years. A Senator serves for 6 years. The President has a term of 4 years, may only serve 2 consecutive terms, but can be elected again after missing one term. There is no limit to the number of terms a Representative or Senator may serve. My point is that once a person is in office it's like trying to remove an embeded tick. They can promise you the world, but once they are in office all they have to be beholding to are the special interests that are pumping money into their wallets.
So you have to wait 2 to 6 years to remove the crook, and meanwhile he or she is taking (stealing) your money and your freedoms little by little. Just remember that EVERY law that they pass in some way takes away a little of either yours or someone elses freedom. Over time, you're suddenly left with nothing, you become a virtual slave to them, while they bask in luxury that you pay for. So I ask you again.. how do we definatively identify and then get rid of these thieves? They make the laws that keep them in office. And they shape those laws so they stay in office. (It's called redistricting). So, how do we, as citizens, insure that whoever we replace them with does what we want? And how do we get rid of them quickly before they can do any real damage if they don't? I don't know... I'm hoping that someone can give me an answer.

[reelapeelin]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

You answered who is to blame. And I asked how do we fix it.

I'm hoping that someone can give me an answer.

That's the hard part...cuz it goes all against everything you have come to believe as a Republican...and it will go against everything every Democrat ever believed...Here's how to fix it...

Vote the incumbent OUT every election cycle!!....

That's where it gets hard, cuz you would have had to vote for Obama last presidential election cycle...or Kerry the one before...more importantly, you would have had to vote for the Dem Senatorial candidate...and lot of Dems would have to vote for Reps...but they see each other as enemies, so they're missing the true root of their problems which are the money-grabbin' parasites on both sides

When we as a people grow up enough to pull up our Big-Boy britches and stop buying into the bunk about , My party right or wrong crap, THEN we can renew the America we THOUGHT we had back when you put your hand over your heart and said the Pledge of Allegiance in elementary school...it's a big scam and that's what we gotta do ti call their bluff...it'll prevent career politicians (parasites) from gaining any real power and diminish the desire to choose politics as a get rich quick/easy scheme for the class of people who REALLY don't want to work for a living...the politicians...