This spells it out

[CaptJ]

I guess this pretty well says it all. We need a system that will allow outsiders to lawfully migrate to this country and a system that does not reward those that come here illegally.




You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California ...or Texas ....or... Arizona ....or.

Joe Legal works in construction has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay close attention....

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30%
away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal
pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per
month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency
hospitals at a cost of $0 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00
per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose
Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631 .00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal Rent SubsidyJose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for car insurance.Some of that is uninsured
motorist insurance.
Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc..

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out
of the country every month..

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work to make ends meet.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same elementary school. Joe Legal pays
for his children's lunches,
while Jose Illegal's children get a free, government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have a
free after school ESL
program. Joe Legal's children go home to an empty house.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal's kids may not get into a State School and may not
qualify for scholarships,
grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State Schools through his
taxes, while Jose Illegal's kids
"go to the head of the class" because they are a minority.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and
Jose did not pay anything.

Do you get it, now?

[lathehand]

Can't be any clearer

[Destroyer]

I have a problem with posts like this, cause they do nothing but flame the fires of racism. And that's wrong. Period. So, although I know it won't be popular, lets be honest about the math. Right now it's a little "fuzzy".

For instance, although Jose gets food stamps and other government subsities, he does not get the entire months food "free". He still has to pay a certain amount of money for his food. A greatly reduced amount, to be sure, but still enough to be significant. The maximum amount of food stamps that can be received per month by a household of one person is $162, of two persons is $298, and of three persons is $426. Food stamps are not intended to pay for all of the food needed for a month. So if both Joe and Jose pay $500 a month for food, then Jose has to pay $74 per month out of his own pocket. $74 x 12 = $888 per year. So Jose now has $30,312.

Now on to the rent issue. If Jose pays the same $1200 per month for his rent as Joe does, but receives a $500 per month subsity from the government, that means his actual outlay of funds from his own pocket is $700 (700 + 500 = 1200) or $8400 per year. So his $30,312 now becomes $21,912. There are other examples, but you get my point.

See what I mean? The math is fuzzy and is written in such a way as to cause resentment towards a certain race of people. I have a problem with racism, of any kind, towards any people.

My point of all this is that although there are, most definetly, inequalities and unfair advantages that illegals can receive, they do not have the bed of roses that are being portrayed. One only has to look at the gettos they live in to see that they have just as hard or harder a life as legal citizens.

If you don't like something, do something about it. Elect officials that share your feelings, hold them accountable, and FIX the problems. But as long as we continue to turn a blind eye to it, it will continue to exist. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

[spareparts]

Originally Posted by Destroyer

I have a problem with posts like this, cause they do nothing but flame the fires of racism. And that's wrong. Period. So, although I know it won't be popular, lets be honest about the math. Right now it's a little "fuzzy".

For instance, although Jose gets food stamps and other government subsities, he does not get the entire months food "free". He still has to pay a certain amount of money for his food. A greatly reduced amount, to be sure, but still enough to be significant. The maximum amount of food stamps that can be received per month by a household of one person is $162, of two persons is $298, and of three persons is $426. Food stamps are not intended to pay for all of the food needed for a month. So if both Joe and Jose pay $500 a month for food, then Jose has to pay $74 per month out of his own pocket. $74 x 12 = $888 per year. So Jose now has $30,312.

Now on to the rent issue. If Jose pays the same $1200 per month for his rent as Joe does, but receives a $500 per month subsity from the government, that means his actual outlay of funds from his own pocket is $700 (700 + 500 = 1200) or $8400 per year. So his $30,312 now becomes $21,912. There are other examples, but you get my point.

See what I mean? The math is fuzzy and is written in such a way as to cause resentment towards a certain race of people. I have a problem with racism, of any kind, towards any people.

My point of all this is that although there are, most definetly, inequalities and unfair advantages that illegals can receive, they do not have the bed of roses that are being portrayed. One only has to look at the gettos they live in to see that they have just as hard or harder a life as legal citizens.

If you don't like something, do something about it. Elect officials that share your feelings, hold them accountable, and FIX the problems. But as long as we continue to turn a blind eye to it, it will continue to exist. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Well put. I do have issues with Illegal Immigration, mostly with our current Governments stance on it and using Immigration as a vote buyer. But it needs to be addressed as an immigration issue, not a racial issue.

[Blue_Runner]

I didn't really see it as racist but maybe I missed that part. Which part makes it racist? Using the name Jose? Fuzzy math, I agree but even if you take away the fuzzy part of the math Jose still has more money, so I don't see the fuzzy math part contributing to racism.

[willy]

Neither do I, and the name could have been Barack and Bill.

The math as usual is always suspect and even though it is not perfect it is correct in that a hard working guy named Bill is getting the royal shafting by Barack.

As are all the other Americans who are paying these bills.

And just another thought to Blue's point, if those illegals were voting Republican that wall would have been built two decades ago and mass round ups would have occurred.
That is because these Statists that are in the demo/socialist party could not care less about Jose or Joe. It is dependent voting blocks.
Period.

[Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner

Which part makes it racist? Using the name Jose?

Bingo. Give that man a Ceeegar