If you could go back in time - where and when ?

[bgreene]

If you could go back in time to have a look around, not change the course of history and return safely ……where and when would you visit ?

[bgreene]

Me - right here in NJ just before the time of indigenous humans so as to see nature in its original state of incredible balance . No back millions of years - just back about 150,000 years

Imagine the populations of everything from birds to fish and mammals .
Natures own paradise

[Blue_Runner]

Bgreene returns to the past 150k years ago only to find a more advanced existence of previously unknown indigenous people.

By more advanced I mean:

• no need for mass transportation
• use only renewable resources and take only what you need
• all stay at home moms
• men hunt all day have sex all night
• kids are taught life skills and moral values from an early age
• no obesity
• crime rate practically non-existent

Me personally I want to go back to 2014 and buy a ****load of bitcoin.

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner

Bgreene returns to the past 150k years ago only to find a more advanced existence of previously unknown indigenous people.

By more advanced I mean:

• no need for mass transportation
• use only renewable resources and take only what you need
• all stay at home moms
• men hunt all day have sex all night
• kids are taught life skills and moral values from an early age
• no obesity
• crime rate practically non-existent

Me personally I want to go back to 2014 and buy a ****load of bitcoin.

Good stuff but sorry - it’s NOT a FOR PROFIT opportunity .
Just to look around and return.

Regarding humans in North America recent archeological findings indicate first humans migrated across Alaskan land bridge around 100,000 - 150,000 years ago . First wave may have even died out before many more about 30,000 years ago.

So yes for me - to see our great planet in balance of nature right here in NJ and at the shore would be fine. Waters so clean, air , animals and plants. Wow yes that would do it for me.
Again not back to dinosaur age, grand as that approx 100 million year dynasty was, but it was a much different earth back then.

[scook]

It’s been a few years since I last read it, but will again pretty soon due to this post. Nessmuk, if you’re not familiar, is a book by a guy when the over hunting/development had started, but hadn’t ruined the northeastern wilderness. There’s an account of one cross country trek that gives a taste of the unspoiled environment that makes me want to go back there in time. It’s an easy read and I think you guys would enjoy it.

My dad would have been 110 this year (he made it to 86) and I recall his stories of Alaska. He was born there in 1911 and moved back to Seattle in 1918. He talked about the boat coming twice a year with supplies and there was plenty of game to feed the family over what they got from the boat and raised in their garden. He said the Salmon were so thick during the runs that you couldn’t hardly get your oars in the water.

Later, he commanded an antiaircraft battery in the Aleutian Islands during the war and would take his M-1 carbine and go out fishing, bringing back enough to feed his men.

Great subject for a post - Thanks

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

It***8217;s been a few years since I last read it, but will again pretty soon due to this post. Nessmuk, if you***8217;re not familiar, is a book by a guy when the over hunting/development had started, but hadn***8217;t ruined the northeastern wilderness. There***8217;s an account of one cross country trek that gives a taste of the unspoiled environment that makes me want to go back there in time. It***8217;s an easy read and I think you guys would enjoy it.

My dad would have been 110 this year (he made it to 86) and I recall his stories of Alaska. He was born there in 1911 and moved back to Seattle in 1918. He talked about the boat coming twice a year with supplies and there was plenty of game to feed the family over what they got from the boat and raised in their garden. He said the Salmon were so thick during the runs that you couldn***8217;t hardly get your oars in the water.

Later, he commanded an antiaircraft battery in the Aleutian Islands during the war and would take his M-1 carbine and go out fishing, bringing back enough to feed his men.

Great subject for a post - Thanks

Wow awesome Scook thanks for sharing .
I read that Thomas Jefferson had made reference to striped bass being so thick as if you could walk across their backs to the other side of the Chesapeake ! But that was WELL AFTER the impact of humans

Yes sir as I posted to see nature in pristine natural unspoiled condition right here a few thousand years before humans . From Manhattan Island to Cape May - completely pure .
Now all I need is a time travel machine

[bgreene]

By the way google the last scene in the movie LUCY with Scarlett Johansson.

Shes in Manhattan flipping through time with a wave of her finger watching the progression back in time excellent scene.

Here maybe this will work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z31gzqUnXZY

[scook]

The video worked.

I’d go for a couple of hundred years. The indigenous tribes did a little taming of the environment, but I think a majority of it was pretty unspoiled.

Even in the 1940’s when Grand Coulee Dam was completed on the Columbia River, the Salmon runs were spectacular (even with over harvesting). Dad said it made him sick to watch film of the masses of Salmon roiling the water at the base of the dam, finding no way up to their spawning beds. Whole genetic lines of Salmon were extincted in one swoop.

I have the boat and all the gear, but 4 times out this year with my very experienced fishing buddy and not ONE bite. Hoping for improvement, but it’s pretty sad.

I envy you guys on the Atlantic coast - multiple species and a lot safer access to the ocean than out here on the Pacific.

Sorry to be such a downer.

[Blue_Runner]

All jokes aside, I spend a ton of time in the woods during winter exploring and on the lake during the summer. Artifacts are everywhere around here. I daydream about how the land looked whenever I'm hunting for native american artifacts. The wildlife that lived in those very hills must have been amazing. Picking up an arrowhead that is thousands of years old, being the first human to touch it in so many years. I think about what those people looked like. The times they had and how they did things. Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing those stories scook, keep this thread going!

[bgreene]

Originally Posted by scook

The video worked.

I’d go for a couple of hundred years. The indigenous tribes did a little taming of the environment, but I think a majority of it was pretty unspoiled.

Even in the 1940’s when Grand Coulee Dam was completed on the Columbia River, the Salmon runs were spectacular (even with over harvesting). Dad said it made him sick to watch film of the masses of Salmon roiling the water at the base of the dam, finding no way up to their spawning beds. Whole genetic lines of Salmon were extincted in one swoop.

I have the boat and all the gear, but 4 times out this year with my very experienced fishing buddy and not ONE bite. Hoping for improvement, but it’s pretty sad.

I envy you guys on the Atlantic coast - multiple species and a lot safer access to the ocean than out here on the Pacific.

Sorry to be such a downer.

We’ve seen how careful environmental protections CAN reinvigorate nature .
The North American Indians actually did make an impact of course on much smaller scale.
Once they stopped being migratory and set up permanent dwellings, farming, and harvesting game in their regions.

We know Indians have linked nature with spirits.
There’s something very unique about remaining wild lands that were NEVER obliterated and remain as have always been. In Washington State, on the edge of our only rain forest in North America - Olympic National Park there is such a place …….I had a unique somewhat spiritual experience there.
Years later while watching a nature TV show, the explorer commented of feeling a special way in a few of our remaining completely unspoiled places. My wife said to me WOW that’s like what you said back in Washington State !!!!!