i have higher standards ;). they shrink in the cooler from the cold, like other things, and i've been stopped by the wp's with fish that were over the limit when i caught them, but yeah, you're right now that i think about it, i heard a lot of debate about the limit size and got fixated on the 17". damn, i could have had 5 keepers. we call them flounder 'round these parts. watcha doin today. nothin, just floundering.