i got these that i aint gonna use. i been busy, plus i tend to procrastinate, so i havent got a shipping quote yet. these are SS ant wiegh 3.25 TONS. i got a feelin that if grace gets 'em shippin gonna be bout 17 thousand dollars. i used a framing square and a speed square to figure deadrise at 20. wish i new another way so i could double check.tx