MAC,
It really could be that easy.
Let HIM SELL the force separately.

You need to find out what he thinks the force is worth. If he thinks it is worth much, and you can get the boat only - then you will get a great price on the boat. No need to convince him that the force is not a good motor.

On the other hand, if he doesn't think the force is worth much then you will probably have to take it with the boat, but you won't be paying much for the forve because you both agree the force isn't worth much. And if it is actually a good running motor you may be pleasantly surprised at what a bargain your cheap power was.

Last scenario, is if he thinks the force is worth much, and won't sell separately. This will be tough as you will have to convince him that it is not worth as much as he thinks it is. Show him the nada book value, for starters. Lack of available parts and authorized mechanics etc.

As for the hull, this is one you probably don't want to miss out on. Freshwater use only, short boating seasons and only been pushed around a lake by a force motor sounds like a real winner to this old salt.

I would be all over this in a new york minute, if I didn't have my v21!

If you wait till spring you will pay more. I would phisically check out the boat thoroughly, although I would be shocked if it wasn't in exceptional condition. Waiting for a sea trial in spring may add a grand to the price and what will it tell you?I assume you know how a v20 rides. If I was also taking the force for peanuts, I would be happy if it ran and I would run it untill it died and then repower.

I would much rather have a cherry 1990 with an almost free force or no motor for 4000 - 6000 than a 1996 v21 with a 1996 outboard that has been run hard in the ocean for the last 8 years for 17000.

If you dont agree then give me that boat and 12000 for my v21 and we'll call it even.

Whatever you decide, good luck! :)