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Smoke, while I completely agree with you on all those organizations you mentioned (nice research BTW) I have to point out to you that not one of them marched in or took place in the demonstrations in Furguson, Mo. a few weeks ago. My point was not that there are not anti-black people or organizations around, rather, my point was that there is no one (that I know of at least) that actively goes from incident to incident and deliberately fans the flames of hate like Jackson and Sharpton make a living doing.

And, by the way, please do not misunderstand me or my feelings on black people. I grew up surrounded by black people. My teen-age stomping grounds were Passaic and Paterson NJ. (Both very rough, mostly black large cities) I went to school with black kids and hung out with them most of my life.l I owe my life to a black man that saved me from death while I was in Nam. I am not a racist, and it bothers the sh!t out of me when I hear anyone use the N word, including black comics like Chris Rock. If it's wrong for whites to use that word, it's just as wrong (if not more so) for blacks to use it.. Demeaning is demeaning, no matter who says it. So, while I applaud your research and your feelings, I'll stand by my original statement. The most racist race of people I personally know of, the people that constantly use race as an excuse to get welfare, food stamps, unemployment, the people that are constantly dropping the race card for all their own troubles are the blacks. And while I agree that they may have some justification for some of their problems, until they start changing how they live, how they act, how they think about race, they will always have those problems.

Ferm, what we did to Native Americans was a crime and a national shame. It is, however, history, and as such cannot be undone. Just as we cannot undo the horrible practice of slavery that our nation also engaged in, or the interment of innocent Japanese-American families in WWII. (Just to name a few of the things that we, as a nation, have done wrong). But we can learn from these things, and we can move forward so those sorts of things never happen again.

My parents were Polish. So I guess that to some people I'm Polish-American. To that I say no, I was born in America, so I'm an American. I'm proud of my Polish heritage, but I do not flaunt it or wave it around like some kind of symbol of pride. My grandparents on both sides were slaves. They lived in Poland and were under Russian rule for much of their lives. So please don't anyone bring up that blacks were once slaves and deserve some sort of special treatment because of that. They don't. They are not the only people that have ever be oppressed, nor will they be the last.

Children learn what they are taught. They learn most of their core values from their parents before they turn 4. That shapes them to be racist or non-racist, hard working or lazy, honest or dishonest, neat or sloppy, etc, etc.

It takes a significant outside emotional event (like the death of a parent) to change those core values. So if those little girls are learning to be racist by their parents, then that, unfortunately, is probably what they will grow up to be.

I cannot speak for their mom, since we know nothing of her history. But from the description that Ferm gave of her actions, I think it's safe to presume that her children are being taught from their observations of them.