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Originally Posted by jeffmo

trying to put words in mymouth or twist what I say won't work with me because I'll straighten it out.
1st,I wasn't lied to by anyone.I wasn't or haven't been told what to believe other than by people trying to push their conservative views onto me by saying that I'm "stupid" or have drank the "kool-aid".I'm yet to try to tell you that you (or anyone else for that matter) is wrong wbout their views.I've simply explained my position.Where Palin was concerned my opinion of her was very open at first.remember,I was seriously considering voting for McCain.Palin had alot of credentials and had held office.But that doesn't equate into being a GOOD politician either.Cantor just proved that by writing the loophole into the trading information bill.My opinion of her was formed by listening to her when she spoke,not by what any media source said.you see,in my opinion,THAT is a huge part of the problem we now have,people believing what either Fox news or MSNBC tells them concerning politics.I'm 53 years old and certainly have the ability and edication to be able to form my own opinion.Those abilities are why I voted for George Bush.I read their stances on the issues and made my mind up.Her ability to handle pressure was VERY lacking.IF Palin was "ambushed" as you say she was,then she should have either stopped the interview or handled it and utrned it around on Couric.Something a person with good skills would have been able to do.Maybe some people simply weren't smart enough to have seen that lack of ability in her.There's alot of college graqduates who aren't the brightest people around.Having a degree doesn't equate to common sense or having the ability to handle pressure.
my statement said "But,that's not something that happens exclusively to Republicans".You said "Tell me of one, just one attack that the media did against Obama and his family".You see,twisting of what I said.But,i'll say that all you have to do is turn of Fox news and you'll soon see the attacks.And like I've said,turn on MSNBC and you'll see the other side of that coin also.
You see,I haven't voted straight party lines.I research candidates from who is running for my township trustees to who wants to occupy the Whitehouse.Do you do the same?

AlEC has ALOT to do with this national election and to say otherwise simply means you haven't taken the time to look at that organization.their assault on public sector labor and the fact that so many Republican Governors have attempted to put that strategy into motion has caused so many people to get involved in the election and to learn the facts of what is happening.
Since you continue to say that ALEC has nothing to do with this election,could you tell me what their strategy is and who some of their highest ranking members are?

Well, I'm still waiting for you to straighten it out, because you sure didn't with this post. No one is trying to put words in your mouth or twist your words. If anything I'm simply pointing out the inconsistancies. You say you haven't been lied to by anyone, which shows how uninformed you really are, because the mainstream media either lies or spins the truth to you EVERY day. Nor have I ever said you were stuipd. I've been very careful to always use the plural tense anytime I used the word. I have said that you've drunk the Kool-Ade several times, since that phrase simply means that you've believed lies and half-truths that someone else has put out there for you to believe. And I stand by that since it's obvious in your writings that you do believe them, even after you've been given proof they were lies.
I completely agree with you btw about news shows telling us their opinions. It's wrong and they shouldn't do it. There is a huge difference between reporting the news and spinning the news.
You're 53...I'm 68 Got you by 15 years more experience. :p
And yes, you should be able to form your own opinion. Problem is that when people are only given one side of a story the opinion they form is usually shaded towards that side.. and that's what I've been trying to point out to you..... that you've been lied to.

Couric admitted that she ambushed Palin several days later...that she was trying to get her to make a mistake. Palin said the following day in an interview that she was mad and wasn't going to answer the question about the magazine at all, and then realized the camers were rolling and just blurted out an answer without thinking. It was unfortunate, because it was exactly what the media was looking for and it became front page news....to this very day. It had absolutely nothing to do with her qualifications or her abilities, and yet it hurt her baddly. I mean, really, if you think about it...does it REALLY matter what magazine or paper she does or doesn't read?
We were talking about the media's attacks on Palin and her family during the presidential campaigning. Then you said "But,that's not something that happens exclusively to Republicans". And in that context, about the presidential election campaign, I said "Tell me of one, just one attack that the media did against Obama and his family". There was no twisting of your words.. I was simply trying to point out to you that with the lone exception of Fox, the media is overwhelmingly against Republicans and for the Democrats... to the point that they lie and make up things, just to shape bad opinions against whoever it is they are out to ruin. There was NO vetting of Obama during the campaign, NO digging into his past, NOTHING that could possibly harm him by the media. Against McCain and Palin however, the attacks were relentless...You yourself admitted that what they did to Palin and her family was wrong.
You said that you research candidates and asked me if I did the same. Of course I do, why the heck do you think that I've been spending so much time on these posts? Scheeeech!!
And no, I'm not going to be baited into some useless discussion about ALEx and what their mission is or isn't or who their top people are or aren't. If you would refer to some of our previous discussions about ALEC you'll see that we've had that discussion before (but not the part about who their leaders are, which is totally irrelevant) I sorry, but I don't agree with a lot of your thoughts about Public Unions. I think they are wrong. I think that anyone that works for the government should not be allowed to join a union. It's wrong for a group of people to be able to hold the public hostage with strikes or the threat of them, simply because they want something more. Understand I'm not saying that public employees aren't worth more pay, nor am I saying that i don't understand the situation. I just think the union part is wrong. (And don't forget that my own wife works for the government and I think it's wrong for her to be in a union also, even thought I see how they get stepped on). I truly don't know what the answer is, I just think it's wrong for ANY group to be able to hold the public hostage. Maybe some kind of lifetime contract is the answer, hell I don't know. I just know we cannot afford the largess that we've been doing for so long.