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Originally Posted by willy
That my friend is a very unionesque view of what is going on. Coming from thirty years in a public sector union I know as well that most of what you said is not correct.
The fact opf the matter ois that in many states public sector unions are controlling state politics to the extent that it is destroying the states.
There is no getting around that period. Here in NJ the teachers union for example are crushing the citizens with budgets and taxes that are driving people out of the state.
You cannot afford to live here especially if you are on a fixed income like a retiree.
Unions are contributing their money to left wing social engineering and the heads of the major unions like Trumka are literally out and out communists and freely admit it.
Unions like the AFLCIO and SEIU are the major backers and thugs for the demo/socialist party and everyone in the country knows it.
Many in the unions cannot stand these sh!tbirds but have no say where their money goes.
That is wrong and everyone knows that too.
Unions are a good thing, being organized and making sure working conditions are safe and bargaining for contracts are needed, but what has happened here in the U.S is the public sector workers in particular are earning on average thirty percent more than the people in the private sector doing the same job and those folks are paying their wages and benefits.On top of that the public sector employees have increased many fold under the Obamination's regime, all for more power to the left in this country.
While I support a private sector unions right to push for their members what we have in this country for decades now is out of control federal and state spending and the wages and benefits for those workers are now bankrupting the country.
Every single tom dick and harry in this country knows it. It is just that the unions, especially their leadership could not care less.
And there in a nut shell is where it is at.
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Unionesque? well,yours seemed rather TeaPartyesque.
And coming from over 22 years of public fire service I can't say what exactly is happening in any other state(with the exception of Wisconsin) but it's very apparent that you have little knowledge about what has happened here in Ohio over the last year or so.
But let's not beat around the bush here either,it's apparent that you feel pretty much at ease with calling union members thugs and I think that's about a BS statement especially when discussing people like teachers,leo's and firefighters.But everyone has their right to their opinion.mine is this,I personally KNOW what has occurred where I live.I know who brought the dirty fight to who.I saw what was hidden away in our Republican governors' "labor bill" and it was nothing more than BS ALEC backed poor politics.I seem to remember a thread i began a while back where someone questioned whether the firefighters shown at a rally had called in sick.Such assumptions are funny at best to me.
The republicans had MAJOR backing for the anti-labor proposal here in Ohio but didn't legally have to disclose WHO or HOW MUCH had been donated.The people who fought the bill disclosed all donations and where they came from.Why did the Republicans feel the need to hide their benefactors???
To elaborate a little further,the republicans here had proposals submitted to them for changes to the police and fire pension system that would have helped bring the system back into the stipulation of a 30 year solvency that is required by law.The proposals were tabled purposely for one reason,so they would be able to TRY to use it as ammunition for their cause when they introduced their legislation.they TRIED to make it appear as if the public sector workers had better pay and benefits than most in the private sector.When the facts of that matter came to light they found themselves looking VERY foolish to the public and it was a major part of why their bill was voted down by the public with 63% of the voters saying no to it!
You say that "the public sector workers in particular are earning on average thirty percent more than the people in the private sector doing the same job and those folks are paying their wages and benefits." well,here in Ohio the Republicans TRIED to say that number was 41%!!! That too was proven to be wrong.But let me ask this,Here in Ohio public sector workers are also tax payers just the same as private sector workers.If the same applies to where you live then why attempt to make it sound as if they AREN'T? Where I work I pay more taxes than some of the people who I protect! And I'm curious,where is there a comparable in the private sector to firefighting or law enforcement?
and btw,our governor while employed by the Lehman Bros.,lost over $480 million of the police & fire pension fund monies.
Unions contributing to the Democratic party simply balances the scales of big business people like the Koch Bros. and ALEC members contributing to the Republican party.
your assumption that public employees numbers have increased under this President is also flawed concerning safety forces.It's common knowledge in the fire service that many departments across the country have been operating short staffed due to the economy for over 10 years now.Contrary to what you may beleive or think,the IAFF mainly lobbies for safety issues for it's members.Any negotiations contractually is done here in Ohio by members of the local.
And there in a nut shell is where it is at precisely.