Ok then that's a no and the "Scuppers" with the ball valve in them would any one recommend the plastic ones or the brass one with the removable top for cleaning. The plastic comes with a 90 Deg bend while the brass one has the outlet on a 45 Deg is there an advantage to the 45 Deg outlet. If anyone has one what is the distance bettwen the flange and the bottem of the outlet they don't look long and iI haven't found any details on them other than price and hose connection size.