Who was Harry Schoell?
 

I thought that Ray Hunt designed the hull for the V20. I looked up the patent number and it seems that Harry Schoell was the guy who has the patent for the V20.

The patent number is 3117544. The link is here:

http://www.schoellmarine.com/innovations.htm

Look under "longitudinal steps hull".

Too much time on my hands...perhaps... ;)

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

I think Hunt designed the "deep V" didn't he?

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

The way I get it is that Hunt took Schoell's "longitudinal steps" and incorporated them into his overall design for the boat...I think...

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

I'm very suspicious of the whole schoell v20 - alim connection. *In my opinion Harry Schoell is an excellent boat historian/engineer that can identify unique designs. *He makes small mods to these designs and patents them. * This is not unusual for patents, but what I don't like is that Schoell claims to be some great inventor, when he really hasn't invented anything . . . in my mind he simply a fraudulent self promoter. *

Here's the skinny . . . as I see it.

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FACTS:

Schoell's Dad owned Alim (the company that first built the v20) *

Schoell was 18 years old when the patent for the strakes was filed in 1961.

Ray Hunt had these strakes on his 1958 "moppie" prototype in Newport, RI.

http://www.bertram31.com/ray_hunt.htm

http://www.bertram31.com/img/moppie.jpg

Hunt loved to build prototypes. By 1958, a wooden deep-vee, complete with * lifting strakes and 24 degrees of deadrise, was turning heads in Newport, RI.

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Question: *Where did Harry Schoell get the idea for strakes? * *

Drawings (for Moppie) appeared in a boating magazine early in 1958 as part of a story on the design.

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In his article:

http://www.schoellmarine.com/bio_files/page0001.htm

harry takes credit for the v20 design and boast about building a plug in a week (when he's 18 years old). *

This is total "BS" there is no friggin way in hell that any one person can build a 20ft plug in a week. *Teams of people can't even accomplish this. *

The only way it's possible to do this in a week . . . *would be to take a existing hull . . . and screw strakes to the bottom. *Then spend a week shaping, fairing and polishing them, so that they could pull a mold from the plug. *
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Don't even get me started on the Delta Conic Hull or the surface piercing prop. *Both these "inventions" were done way before Schoell.

Surface Piercing Prop - was a hickman design from the 20's

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/..._SeaSled_2.jpg
This shaft from the hickman seasled turned a 24inch surface piercing prop. *


Delta Conic Hull - *was common unpatented design.

http://www.schoellmarine.com/images/DDC/hull.jpg

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http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/..._SeaSled_4.jpg

Hey look at the steps on the bottom of the Hickman seasled ( that was in the 20's)

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...973/page02.jpg

This was Richard Coles airslot hull. *Check out the small step in the vee (this was in 1971) *

There were many other variations of this design. *I can dig up others that are much more pronounced that these 2 subtle ones. *

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

BS...I was lookin' at the Hunt site earlier and thinkin' about asking if anyone at Hunt KNEW the story of WHO actually designed the boat we know(and love) as the "V20"...think we'd get a viable response?...

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

Reel - How's this?


On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 16:43, Karen Petersen wrote:
> I forwarded your question to John Deknatel, the president of our firm,
> who responds: the V-20 was an early Ray Hunt design, originally built by
> Alim Corp. and then by Wellcraft and others, i.e. ChrisCraft.

> Regards,
> Karen Petersen

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John Deknatel worked with Ray Hunt since 1963, so I imagine he'd know better than anyone else . . . except for Schoell who claims that he designed and built the v20 himself in a week while coming up and patenting the lifting strake (all on the time/budget of an 18 years old).


Hmmmm . . . . who do you believe?

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

I believe Ray Hunt designed the Wellcraft V20...it says so in some of the literature in our archives that Wellcraft published...and being the wise designer he was, saw the tremendous advantage in "lifting steps" incorporated them into his design...Wellcraft, being the good business people they were at the time, LICENSED Schoell's patent(for which of course Schoell was paid and should have been), thus keeping everybody happy; Hunt, Schoell, Wellcraft and the individuals who were smart enough to go out and buy one of these boats... ;)...

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

Reel - what bothers me is that those lifting strakes that schoell patented are on Ray Hunt's Moppie prototype boat in 1958 . . . which is well before Schoell's patent was submitted in 1961.

Re: Who was Harry Schoell?
 

BS...I hear you loud and clear, but if Hunt did not have "patent protection" on the strakes themselves, then Schoell(or anybody else) could patent them...and lookin' at the pics you've posted and seen elsewhere, lifting strakes and steps were being used by others prior to both Hunt and Schoell using them...then it's a matter of who got to the patent office first and consider this...did Hunt ever apply for patent protection on lifting strakes?...I think Schoell had a patent in place on the strakes prior to Hunt incorporating them into the design of the V20...that's why Schoell's patent# appears on the V20 Steplift mark, while Hunt is credited by Wellcraft as being the designer...

Think of it this way; the Wellcraft V20 designed by Raymond Hunt and features lifting strakes as patented by Harry Schoell...makes sense to me... :D...