Immigration Video
 

A little long but worth the watch and eye opening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

A little about the speaker:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Beck

He has links to racist groups, but if he is speaking with facts
and can back up the facts,
facts is facts.

Immigration Video
 

A little long but worth the watch and eye opening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

A little about the speaker:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Beck

He has links to racist groups, but if he is speaking with facts
and can back up the facts,
facts is facts.

Re: Immigration Video
 

That is absolutely mind blowing! If what he says is true and it appears to be, then America will BECOME a 3rd world country in another 100 years. :o

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That is absolutely mind blowing! If what he says is true and it appears to be, then America will BECOME a 3rd world country in another 100 years. :o

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Because we are on a public board I will not say what I want, But I am glad I will be dead long before it does happen!!

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Because we are on a public board I will not say what I want, But I am glad I will be dead long before it does happen!!

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ACCEPTANCE OF SUB-STANDARD PERFORMANCE

That's it, that is what we have become, and that is the source of all our problems, one of the most serious is immigration.

We accept sub-standard performance from our President, because we vote based on our political parties acceptance of wildly wealthy individuals who are so far removed from reality and life in America that it is totally impossible for them to do what really needs to be done, they are incapable.

We vote our congress and senate people the same way, 100-200 million dollar campaigns in congressional districts to elect someone not based on his performance, his leadership, his ability to relate to the people. But because the party bosses get his name on the ballot, money in vast sums for political patronage changes hands.

Our media, once a watchdog in a simpler time in our country has turned into part of the political machine for a liberal world agenda. Not even reporting facts anymore, but like our judges reporting (editorializing) their version or spin of the facts to suit their agenda.

All of these are examples of the American people accepting and settling for sub-standard performance.
But the biggest offenders of this sub-standard agenda is us, generally speaking. Why, we forget that we have the power in this country and we have a free will and a mind to do the math.
Sadly we don't, we elect the same semi-criminal element to represent us every two years.
It is actually sad, we are like the story of how you cook a frog, accept we actually control the temperture.

Re: Immigration Video
 

ACCEPTANCE OF SUB-STANDARD PERFORMANCE

That's it, that is what we have become, and that is the source of all our problems, one of the most serious is immigration.

We accept sub-standard performance from our President, because we vote based on our political parties acceptance of wildly wealthy individuals who are so far removed from reality and life in America that it is totally impossible for them to do what really needs to be done, they are incapable.

We vote our congress and senate people the same way, 100-200 million dollar campaigns in congressional districts to elect someone not based on his performance, his leadership, his ability to relate to the people. But because the party bosses get his name on the ballot, money in vast sums for political patronage changes hands.

Our media, once a watchdog in a simpler time in our country has turned into part of the political machine for a liberal world agenda. Not even reporting facts anymore, but like our judges reporting (editorializing) their version or spin of the facts to suit their agenda.

All of these are examples of the American people accepting and settling for sub-standard performance.
But the biggest offenders of this sub-standard agenda is us, generally speaking. Why, we forget that we have the power in this country and we have a free will and a mind to do the math.
Sadly we don't, we elect the same semi-criminal element to represent us every two years.
It is actually sad, we are like the story of how you cook a frog, accept we actually control the temperture.

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Boy!!...now THERE'S a FIRST!! :o ...




But as far as the immigration thing...in the end it's our own fault...this is a free democracy...we could be floodin' our lawmakers offices with letters of protest tellin ' 'em what we want, we could be voting the incumbents out who've allowed this to happen ...we could have risen up with one voice and said "NO!!" ... a clear majority of the American people (we) didn't do any of those things ... I don't BLAME us ... but we did allow it :-[ ...

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Boy!!...now THERE'S a FIRST!! :o ...




But as far as the immigration thing...in the end it's our own fault...this is a free democracy...we could be floodin' our lawmakers offices with letters of protest tellin ' 'em what we want, we could be voting the incumbents out who've allowed this to happen ...we could have risen up with one voice and said "NO!!" ... a clear majority of the American people (we) didn't do any of those things ... I don't BLAME us ... but we did allow it :-[ ...

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According to the news channels, the house and senate web sites have been inundated with emails and phone calls from people. I have sent out 6 and my wife has done probably the same. Apparently the first couple of days after the announcement of the Bill being passed in the house they could not keep up with the overwhelming negative response.

In reference to your point Oz, they have been told, they know the polls on the issue.
WATCH WHAT THE SH!TBIRDS PASS

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According to the news channels, the house and senate web sites have been inundated with emails and phone calls from people. I have sent out 6 and my wife has done probably the same. Apparently the first couple of days after the announcement of the Bill being passed in the house they could not keep up with the overwhelming negative response.

In reference to your point Oz, they have been told, they know the polls on the issue.
WATCH WHAT THE SH!TBIRDS PASS

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My fear is it's too late...this much noise should have started long ago...now, even if it became law tomorrow, how ya gonna round up 12,000,000 people w/ no address and transport them out of the country?...that'd be QUITE an undertaking...and if you don't CLOSE the border, they'd be right back in short order ...

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My fear is it's too late...this much noise should have started long ago...now, even if it became law tomorrow, how ya gonna round up 12,000,000 people w/ no address and transport them out of the country?...that'd be QUITE an undertaking...and if you don't CLOSE the border, they'd be right back in short order ...

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Thats the fallacy of what we are being told. You do not have to round up 12 million people.
You just have to stop paying for their expenses and they will literally leave on their own accord.
Employer- you are fined 1000 a day for every illegal employee you have on your premises. Repeat offenders arrested.

Hospitals- the state and federal government will no longer subsidize free medical care, we are not telling you you can't give it, we will just not pay for it anymore, your choice.

Government- we will enforce the several hundred laws already on the books, police encounters with un-documented aliens will require incarceration until ID is established. If illegally in the country sent to a holding facility and shiped to country of origin.

Caught in the possession of illegal state documents, of which there is a multi million dollar industry now, mandatory prison sentence to hard labor, building roads hospitals schools. Wherever they can be used. Sentence finished sent to country of origin.

Secure our F@ckin borders, hold foreign governments responsible for their actions ( Mexico)

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Thats the fallacy of what we are being told. You do not have to round up 12 million people.
You just have to stop paying for their expenses and they will literally leave on their own accord.
Employer- you are fined 1000 a day for every illegal employee you have on your premises. Repeat offenders arrested.

Hospitals- the state and federal government will no longer subsidize free medical care, we are not telling you you can't give it, we will just not pay for it anymore, your choice.

Government- we will enforce the several hundred laws already on the books, police encounters with un-documented aliens will require incarceration until ID is established. If illegally in the country sent to a holding facility and shiped to country of origin.

Caught in the possession of illegal state documents, of which there is a multi million dollar industry now, mandatory prison sentence to hard labor, building roads hospitals schools. Wherever they can be used. Sentence finished sent to country of origin.

Secure our F@ckin borders, hold foreign governments responsible for their actions ( Mexico)

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One thing bugs me about the video and the facts. They seem incomplete. Our nation is over 200 years old and yet he's only using the last 35 years? Also, he doesn't differentiate between legal immigrants and illegal (unless I missed that part). I don't think legal immigration is the problem at this point (as he suggests). It's the illegal immigration that's hurting us and we all have a problem with. Sure, congress can lower the number of immigrants we allow into this country, but that's not the answer to illegal immigration. I think the answer to that problem is what Willy said. As for the video, I'm left wondering of the true intentions of the speaker.

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One thing bugs me about the video and the facts. They seem incomplete. Our nation is over 200 years old and yet he's only using the last 35 years? Also, he doesn't differentiate between legal immigrants and illegal (unless I missed that part). I don't think legal immigration is the problem at this point (as he suggests). It's the illegal immigration that's hurting us and we all have a problem with. Sure, congress can lower the number of immigrants we allow into this country, but that's not the answer to illegal immigration. I think the answer to that problem is what Willy said. As for the video, I'm left wondering of the true intentions of the speaker.

Re: Immigration Video
 

Jeff agreed, I too am always cautious of the intentions of people with agenda that may not be good.
The problem here is that even if I discount who he is I cannot discount what he says. The facts he is using and displaying are from the Bureau of the Census. I saw very similar if not exact numbers quoted by various politicians over the years who dared speak out against the policies.
The reason I believe he does not diferentiate between legal and illegal immigration is, it does not matter, they are still immigration no matter how they get here.
You see big buisness (money) is the driving force here. You can pay much cheaper labor costs, no health benefits etc. to a immigration (legal,illegal) family than you can to a US worker. Eventually the number of laborers in these jobs gets swollen even more with amnesty and Zgreen cards that the competition for even these low paying jobs becomes very high and the corporate criminals make out even better.
The other driving force in this is quite frankly the democratic party in power in every large population center in this country. They cater to, pander to and supply programs to the illegal immigrant and the lower economic strata of our country. The government programs available is the democratic parties powerbase. It has been for three decades now. Making these illegals voting legal residents will in effect over the coming decade turn our system into a one party system. No more close numbers on the red states blue states thing, your choice will come down to which democrat you will take.
That is not speculation that is fact.
My brother always votes democratic, he can't stand them but he votes them in anyhow, why? Because he is in the communications workers union, and just like the trial lawyers assos. and the auto workers union and the teachers union they are voting themselves down a spiraling path that literally looks good now but when the rest of the story appears for our kids kids they will be looking for the kool aid.
We just don't have anyone speaking the truth that can get elected in this country, the media will crush any candidate that does, along with the hollywood elite and the political elite. The corporate crooks will have him assasinated if he does get elected, thats how strong they want this to keep going the way it is.
We email, call our politicians now and vote with this in mind regardless of party in every election coming up or we kiss it goodbye. It is literally that simple.

Re: Immigration Video
 

Jeff agreed, I too am always cautious of the intentions of people with agenda that may not be good.
The problem here is that even if I discount who he is I cannot discount what he says. The facts he is using and displaying are from the Bureau of the Census. I saw very similar if not exact numbers quoted by various politicians over the years who dared speak out against the policies.
The reason I believe he does not diferentiate between legal and illegal immigration is, it does not matter, they are still immigration no matter how they get here.
You see big buisness (money) is the driving force here. You can pay much cheaper labor costs, no health benefits etc. to a immigration (legal,illegal) family than you can to a US worker. Eventually the number of laborers in these jobs gets swollen even more with amnesty and Zgreen cards that the competition for even these low paying jobs becomes very high and the corporate criminals make out even better.
The other driving force in this is quite frankly the democratic party in power in every large population center in this country. They cater to, pander to and supply programs to the illegal immigrant and the lower economic strata of our country. The government programs available is the democratic parties powerbase. It has been for three decades now. Making these illegals voting legal residents will in effect over the coming decade turn our system into a one party system. No more close numbers on the red states blue states thing, your choice will come down to which democrat you will take.
That is not speculation that is fact.
My brother always votes democratic, he can't stand them but he votes them in anyhow, why? Because he is in the communications workers union, and just like the trial lawyers assos. and the auto workers union and the teachers union they are voting themselves down a spiraling path that literally looks good now but when the rest of the story appears for our kids kids they will be looking for the kool aid.
We just don't have anyone speaking the truth that can get elected in this country, the media will crush any candidate that does, along with the hollywood elite and the political elite. The corporate crooks will have him assasinated if he does get elected, thats how strong they want this to keep going the way it is.
We email, call our politicians now and vote with this in mind regardless of party in every election coming up or we kiss it goodbye. It is literally that simple.

Re: Immigration Video
 

Willy, sounds good to me ;) ... now how do we get it done?...

Re: Immigration Video
 

Willy, sounds good to me ;) ... now how do we get it done?...

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Willy, I think there is a big difference between legal and illegal immigrants. In terms of corperations, they can't take advantage of legal immigrants the way the do illegals. Being a legal immigrant means they pay taxes just like you and and I thus they pay into the system as well. Illegal immigrants don't pay into the system and in a sense make a deal with the devel (corperations willing to hire them, pay them under the table and figure out a way to hide their tracks). Those are the ones who are placing the biggest burdens on our system. That's why I feel it important to stress that we distinguish between people who have taken the steps to immigrate legally vs. those who have not. Remember the legal immigrants include California's governor... as well as a freind of mine who pays more in taxes than alot of citizens born here, has health insurance and will not be taken advantage of by any company because he understands his rights (at least as well as the rest of us). I think that holds true for a majority of legal immigrants.

As for the illegal immigrants, I'm with ya all the way. The laws on the books need to be inforced. Companies, politicians and authorities need to be held accountable. It's a bad scene all around and there are too many people too high up making too much money (or being influenced) from illegal immigration.

I don't understand why people think that the unions should have so much infleunce over their votes. I was a member of the CWA (until I got a new job), but I voted how I felt, not how they wanted. I'll be d@**ed if anyone is going to try to force me to use my vote in a way I don't agree with. Their job was to keep the company honest, which I felt they went overboard with, but since companies tend to go overboard in the oppisite direction I figured it would usually balance out... althought probably not the case for the auto unions, but then look what's happening to their jobs. When people start to give into that kind of crap we all lose. *Sorry about this last part, but that kinda hit a nerve.. ::)

Re: Immigration Video
 

Willy, I think there is a big difference between legal and illegal immigrants. In terms of corperations, they can't take advantage of legal immigrants the way the do illegals. Being a legal immigrant means they pay taxes just like you and and I thus they pay into the system as well. Illegal immigrants don't pay into the system and in a sense make a deal with the devel (corperations willing to hire them, pay them under the table and figure out a way to hide their tracks). Those are the ones who are placing the biggest burdens on our system. That's why I feel it important to stress that we distinguish between people who have taken the steps to immigrate legally vs. those who have not. Remember the legal immigrants include California's governor... as well as a freind of mine who pays more in taxes than alot of citizens born here, has health insurance and will not be taken advantage of by any company because he understands his rights (at least as well as the rest of us). I think that holds true for a majority of legal immigrants.

As for the illegal immigrants, I'm with ya all the way. The laws on the books need to be inforced. Companies, politicians and authorities need to be held accountable. It's a bad scene all around and there are too many people too high up making too much money (or being influenced) from illegal immigration.

I don't understand why people think that the unions should have so much infleunce over their votes. I was a member of the CWA (until I got a new job), but I voted how I felt, not how they wanted. I'll be d@**ed if anyone is going to try to force me to use my vote in a way I don't agree with. Their job was to keep the company honest, which I felt they went overboard with, but since companies tend to go overboard in the oppisite direction I figured it would usually balance out... althought probably not the case for the auto unions, but then look what's happening to their jobs. When people start to give into that kind of crap we all lose. *Sorry about this last part, but that kinda hit a nerve.. ::)

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There is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigration and I agree with you whole heartedly. The point I was making was what you asked about concerning that fellows charts, the shear numbers he did not seperate the two because in the end it still is immigration. He is saying that we allow 1 million plus legal immigration a year and that number is way to high. I think he is right.
The numbers on illegals in the country now are pure estimates but range from 12 million to just over 20 million. That is an astronomical burden for any country to carry. They want to now make them legal, and to allow them to bring in family members totalling in their estimate between 15-20 million.
Oh My God. How can they possibly justify doing that to this country? They can't, but they are going to do it unless we let them know now our reaction and stick to it.
I have always been an independant. Generally vote republican, mostly due to being the lesser of the two evils I am presented with. That chain of thought is over now. I am voting with whoever is saying and doing the right thing regardless of party. If he has been in office already and has not fought this type of thing wholeheartedly and effectively I will vote for one of the other candidates. I don't care anymore dem rep or gay liberation party if he is going to do the right thing that is my man, or woman or in between. Incumbent out unless any changes are made.
If you vote dem because your union says they will give you the best deals shame on you. If you are in buisness and vote rep because you think he is going to get you a corporate tax break shame on you. At some point you have to be an American first, while there is still such a thing left.

Re: Immigration Video
 

There is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigration and I agree with you whole heartedly. The point I was making was what you asked about concerning that fellows charts, the shear numbers he did not seperate the two because in the end it still is immigration. He is saying that we allow 1 million plus legal immigration a year and that number is way to high. I think he is right.
The numbers on illegals in the country now are pure estimates but range from 12 million to just over 20 million. That is an astronomical burden for any country to carry. They want to now make them legal, and to allow them to bring in family members totalling in their estimate between 15-20 million.
Oh My God. How can they possibly justify doing that to this country? They can't, but they are going to do it unless we let them know now our reaction and stick to it.
I have always been an independant. Generally vote republican, mostly due to being the lesser of the two evils I am presented with. That chain of thought is over now. I am voting with whoever is saying and doing the right thing regardless of party. If he has been in office already and has not fought this type of thing wholeheartedly and effectively I will vote for one of the other candidates. I don't care anymore dem rep or gay liberation party if he is going to do the right thing that is my man, or woman or in between. Incumbent out unless any changes are made.
If you vote dem because your union says they will give you the best deals shame on you. If you are in buisness and vote rep because you think he is going to get you a corporate tax break shame on you. At some point you have to be an American first, while there is still such a thing left.

Re: Immigration Video
 

I too have no problem at all with legal immigrants where ever they are from as long as they play and pay by the same rules and speak english like the rest of us and no special programs..On our elected officials issue I have to say that its all part of the slimy bottom feeder world they live in..they are all lawyers and make unethicial deals every day to get this or that bill passed that makes them popular at the expense of important programs that as a result go unfunded. After Vietnam I went to Law School under the GI bill but got fed up with the left wing BS and quit after a year to join the DEA. In law school you learn how to technically manipulate the system,sway juries, plea bargin, jury shop, judge shop intimidate cops and witnesses, frighten victims of violent crimes while all along they know their clients are 100% guilty and have probably committed numerous other violent crimes. As a result justice is held hostage by the law and the best actor wins and when they get into elected positions like senators and c >:(ongressmen they continue this behavior to stay in office forever. They are trained to be pathalogicial liars ..Frank

Re: Immigration Video
 

I too have no problem at all with legal immigrants where ever they are from as long as they play and pay by the same rules and speak english like the rest of us and no special programs..On our elected officials issue I have to say that its all part of the slimy bottom feeder world they live in..they are all lawyers and make unethicial deals every day to get this or that bill passed that makes them popular at the expense of important programs that as a result go unfunded. After Vietnam I went to Law School under the GI bill but got fed up with the left wing BS and quit after a year to join the DEA. In law school you learn how to technically manipulate the system,sway juries, plea bargin, jury shop, judge shop intimidate cops and witnesses, frighten victims of violent crimes while all along they know their clients are 100% guilty and have probably committed numerous other violent crimes. As a result justice is held hostage by the law and the best actor wins and when they get into elected positions like senators and c >:(ongressmen they continue this behavior to stay in office forever. They are trained to be pathalogicial liars ..Frank

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I am a man of few words,

I am regestered as NO PARTY AFFILIATION, because I want to vote for whoever I dam well please to vote for.

I am all for legal immigration, agree the numbers allowed are a little too high, but legal is acceptable.

Illegals - register with their intentions, if become a citizen,
then do an International criminal check,
if they have as much as a parking ticket, they are outta here.
Oh yeah, back taxes should be paid, imagine if you or I didn't pay taxes for a number of years.

A Pink Floyd song comes to mind on this topic,
Build the Wall.

Re: Immigration Video
 

I am a man of few words,

I am regestered as NO PARTY AFFILIATION, because I want to vote for whoever I dam well please to vote for.

I am all for legal immigration, agree the numbers allowed are a little too high, but legal is acceptable.

Illegals - register with their intentions, if become a citizen,
then do an International criminal check,
if they have as much as a parking ticket, they are outta here.
Oh yeah, back taxes should be paid, imagine if you or I didn't pay taxes for a number of years.

A Pink Floyd song comes to mind on this topic,
Build the Wall.

Re: Immigration Video
 

just make 'em do two years in the armed service of thier choice. after that, imho, they have earned the right to be hear. illegals should be flogged!

Re: Immigration Video
 

just make 'em do two years in the armed service of thier choice. after that, imho, they have earned the right to be hear. illegals should be flogged!

Re: Immigration Video
 

Well hello TP, it's been a while. ;)

Re: Immigration Video
 

Well hello TP, it's been a while. ;)