Honda or Yamaha
 

Lookin to rpower. Old Evenrude 225 gave up the ghost.

Anyone got experience with 200HP 4 cycle Yamaha vs Honda repwers.

Getting quotes from dealers -- anyone know 25" shaft?

Thanks

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Before you make up your mind look at Mac_Attack's video. I'll try to locate it.

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Well here's one.
http://media.putfile.com/Evinrude-E-Tec-150--2

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Sorry I'm partial to Evinrude,Johnson.
http://media.putfile.com/Evinrude-E-Tec-150

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Hell, while your getting prices. Oh and if I failed to, WELCOME TO THE SITE (post pictures) ;D

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One member her went with one of the big HODA'S and ended up selling his boat because it was so stern heavy.

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/cgi-bin/...9126;start=0#0

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Since those are the two HEAVIEST motors on the market Ill just ask....Not to get into a debate, but with all the advances in two strokes I just couldnt see buying a new four banger. You can have the best of both worlds in a new Etec or even a fuel injected Merc. or the like. So why not stroke it twice? ;D

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Don't forget the HPDI Yamaha. ;)

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I believe they still offer a few OX66's as well. MERCURY might even have some of the original EFI's(not DFI) in there line-up as well. Just remember, The V-20 was designed back in the day when the heaviest outboards weighed in the 300 lb range. With all of our advances, they've gotten heavier.

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Just checking my e-mail and they sent promo's.
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/
Click challenges
Look at the whole thing
You got to do tug of war

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Honda or Yamaha - that's an easy one!

Answer= YES

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Suzuki 4stroke 175!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Best of all worlds.

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Given that choice only I would go Yamaha,

But If I had the cash, and was repowering right now it would be a 175 E-Tec!!

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The machinist who works on the boat motors at the Navy Yard basically told me to stay away from the Hondas. The navy has a junk yard full of them.

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first choice , for me, is E-tec, second, a two stroke yamaha

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Most guides where I keep my boat run either Honda or Yamaha 4 strokes (150 hp range). *A few of them have close to 4000 hrs on them. *They may not have the torque, but they sure are economical. *My 2000 150 hp Merc 2 stroke is 407 lbs. and it's about 50 lbs heavier than my original 86 150 hp. *The 225 Honda is 610 lbs. *

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Thanks for the feedback, Lots of good advise.
I've got a 20 year old 90 HP 2 stroke Yamaha on a whaler and it always runs great -- thats why I thought Honda or Yamaha. I was looking at the Honda for fuel economy, but concerned about the weight. I will reconsider the Yamaha 2 cylcle & Evenrude E-tec.

:-/

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Reel has a 150 Honda on his V20 and can probably provide good performance info.

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I haven't heard anything bad about the Honda's other than you can't fiind anyone to work on them. All the four strokes are heavy compared to traditional carb two strokes. Keep in mind, the Opti and HPDI are heavier than their traditional carb predecesors. If you are interested in four stroke technology, look into the Yamaha 150( consevatly rated at 150, makes closer to 165) or the Suzuki 175, they weigh closer to the traditional carb V6 engines. Be carefull if you're considering Merc fourstroke, one of the bass magazines recently weighed the Verado series engines and found actual rigged weight( as comapred to other engines) to much higher than spec by the factory. There are some leftover EFI engines still around that are priced right. Still the best power to dollar engine available as a current engine is the Opti, just make sure you get the extended warranty, replacement parts will total that engine quickly

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Honda 200 (4-stroke) is gonna be TOO heavy ... Yam 200 4-stroke TOO heavy...Yam 200 HPDI 2-stroke GREAT (see Pipe Dream Gallery)

As mentioned above the E-Tec 200 HP small block is gainin' a good reputation for bein' a good match for these boats in the 200 HP range ...if the E-Tec in this size range was out when I had to repower, that's what would be in the picture below instead of the Honda 150... ;) ...

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Reely? I thought you were pretty pleased with your engine. The thing is, everything is a bit of a trade-off. I love the power of my 200, but of course it's actually a little more power than I really need. And while I don't think it's way too heavy, it is heavier than a 150 and so it changes the handling of the boat a little. (I'm still thinking about trim tabs, only thinking for now.) At the dock the stern is just a little lower than I'd like it to be (scupper outlets are right at the water). But, I am very pleased with the performance and the economy of this engine -- for a 200 she's a sipper.

What we need is a E-tec and/or a Yammi HPDI 175 hp engine -- that would be perfect! :D

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I AM pleased w/the Honda ... at the time, for reasons of dealer knowledge, fuel efficiency, weight to HP ratio, Honda reputation (despite the US Navy ;D) it was a good decision ... E-Tecs were on the horizon, but didn't wanna wait for who-knew how long ... I'm happy w/it, but if she blows after the warranty dies, there'll be a 200-E on it chop-chop ;) ...

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Saw a 200 Yamaqha 4 stroke on a 21 footer today The guy stared that at tyhe ramp never heard it running!! wow was it sweet!

Still get a e tec first! ;)

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I've heard that yamaha has about three times as many dealers as Honda does, which makes it getting serviced easier. Also whenever you go to a country south of the border or in the caribbean every outboard seem to be a yamaha. I figure this is a testament to yamaha, if you live in a somewhat remote region you want something that is reliable or at least is easy to get parts and service for. Plus ya never know when you might need to leave the country!! LOL ;D ;D

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I looked at the 200 hp E-tec today -- nice looking unit.

I saw the video -- the Yamaha 4 stroke lacks initial torque -- I don't want that.



now between the Evinrude E-tec and the Yamaha HPDI.

Anyone know if the V20 needs a 20" or 25" shaft ?

:-/

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Measure it or you can cheat and get a jack plate.
Also,post some pictures ;D

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Depends, sorry but it is true. Some boats with a standard notched transom need a 25 " shaft but some others have an additional cut in he transom, a small V and from what I am understanding they need a 20" shaft.

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Yep, I got a 20".

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That video is a waste of time -- it's comparing apples and oranges. Besides, I know of at least one 4-stroker here who pulls skiers, so I'm sure there's enough torque, not as much as a 2-stroke but still enough.

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What year is your boat? Most anything mid 80's is 25" the earlier years had 20"

But measure as stated above you will be fine!

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Plenty of mid-late 80's 20"ers out there, I got one...

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Yeah but ain't nobody defending themselves and the video's are too cool sinking boats in the tug of war. I don't care who's motors it is. Besides great sales ploy and makes the competition have to think.

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I think they should perform more real world tests such as long distance range, range while trolling etc. Nothing like pulling the competition back to the dock because they ran out of gas.

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I will measure transom for motor shaft length.

Anyone have experience buying new Yamaha's over the internet? -- couple thousand savings!

Will do pictures next time
:)

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That's what they all say...and we are left with NOTHING :'( ...it's kinda like , "Pay ya back when my settle-MINT comes in" ... yeah, right





;) ... ;D ;D ...

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Whats this like useing credit cards.
Watch the interest :o :o

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I don't think i would buy a New motor over the net!

A lot of guys don't touch unless they sell, and Yamaha will not let you install or you Void the warranty!

So that means that you have to find a Yamaha Dealer to do your install when you bought it some were else. Not likely!

Besides when something go's wrong there is nothing like having a local guy help you out, who you going to call from the internet??

So the question here is a couple of thousand worth no warranty & and no one to fix?

Re: Honda or Yamaha
 

DON'T FORGET THE SHIPPING COSTS

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It does not have to be installed by a yammie dealer just a shop that has a yammie certified tech.