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bgreene 12-01-2021 07:18 PM

The deadly cost of politicizing COVID
 
Death rates from COVID highest in US states where majority support Trump.

Why ? Because Trump mocked wearing masks and too many republicans are pushing the anti vaccine agendas.
So people follow and die . Bad situation

The gap in the COVID-19 death toll between red and blue America grew faster over the past month than at any previous point in the pandemic, according to a new report featured in the New York Times morning newsletter on Monday.

It noted that 25 out of every 100,000 residents in counties that heavily voted for President Donald Trump last November died from COVID in October, which was MORE THAN THREE TIMES HIGHER than the rate in heavily Joe Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000).

And October was the fifth straight month when the gap between COVID deaths in Trump and Biden counties widened.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/re...rt-11632764116

oteps 12-01-2021 08:06 PM

joe should do something about this.

bgreene 12-02-2021 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oteps (Post 245477)
joe should do something about this.

We ALL need to write and speak the facts and truth


https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/opini...tis/index.html

bgreene 12-02-2021 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oteps (Post 245477)
joe should do something about this.

It’s OUR OWN responsibility to follow the FACTS and SCIENCE on COVID and NOT follow some politicians agenda such as the lying cheating con man traitor did mocking masks and encouraging the huge rallies where COVID spread so widely.
This is why 3X more Americans are DYING in the most Trump supporting areas.

Pipe_Dream 12-02-2021 09:54 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFUZUdGU...jpg&name=small

oteps 12-02-2021 10:15 AM

I follow my own agenda, not anyone elses. I follow my own facts, not news stories. I dont live in a "Trump state"

bgreene 12-02-2021 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 245485)

Define EXACTLY what your map REALLY represents

COVID highest in trump supporting areas


https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...ccines-2021-11

Pipe_Dream 12-02-2021 11:02 AM

Source:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...data_metro=all

Even better

https://forum.ih8mud.com/media/us-co...png.96593/full

bgreene 12-02-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 245490)

Likely correct ***8230;and it***8217;s the trump supporting COUNTIES within states that have 3x higher Seth rates . There are LOTS of Dems on the coasts in Florida as example. I wrote STATES***8230;.it***8217;s COUNTIES ***8230;.my bad but I***8217;m still correct in this FACT

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/re...rt-11632764116

Destroyer 12-02-2021 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245492)
Likely correct ***8230;and it***8217;s the trump supporting COUNTIES within states that have 3x higher Seth rates . There are LOTS of Dems on the coasts in Florida as example. I wrote STATES***8230;.it***8217;s COUNTIES ***8230;.my bad but I***8217;m still correct in this FACT

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/re...rt-11632764116

Oh, so YOU can write States instead of Counties and just excuse it with a "my bad" ... But when I write and say total instead of "independents" on Biden's approval rating it's a shocking, world wide news, unforgivable, some kind of evil plot event, worthy of being repeated over and over. Exactly how does that work Mr. Greene? How do you get to say my bad after YOUR mistake but you keep throwing it up in my face after my mistake, accusing me of lying over and over in post after post? You sound an awful lot like a typical democrat hypocrite to me. Oh, wait, you ARE a typical Democrat hypocrite. That explains it.

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bgreene 12-02-2021 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245502)
Oh, so YOU can write States instead of Counties and just excuse it with a "my bad" ... But when I write and say total instead of "independents" on Biden's approval rating it's a shocking, world wide news, unforgivable, some kind of evil plot event, worthy of being repeated over and over. Exactly how does that work Mr. Greene? How do you get to say my bad after YOUR mistake but you keep throwing it up in my face after my mistake, accusing me of lying over and over in post after post? You sound an awful lot like a typical democrat hypocrite to me. Oh, wait, you ARE a typical Democrat hypocrite. That explains it.

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Fortunately , states such as Florida have high concentrations of BIDEN supporters, but the counties with high % of TRUMP supporters DYING of COVID at approx 3 X greater rate.
Horrible truth.

bgreene 12-02-2021 05:20 PM

These core followers of trump are actually DYING in greater numbers for following his lead.
Horrible

FACT.

oteps 12-02-2021 07:46 PM

So now you know how many people die from each county? Trump counties right? You should be up there lying with flauchi.

bgreene 12-02-2021 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oteps (Post 245522)
So now you know how many people die from each county? Trump counties right? You should be up there lying with flauchi.

It’s a statistical fact - kept by the hospitals and the data shows this to be true .
I know ….it’s hard for you to deal with this truth - but it is what it is.

All that flaunting the gatherings with no masks cost lives .

Destroyer 12-03-2021 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245523)
It***8217;s a statistical fact - kept by the hospitals and the data shows this to be true .
I know ***8230;.it***8217;s hard for you to deal with this truth - but it is what it is.

All that flaunting the gatherings with no masks cost lives .

Even if it was true, so what? What does it prove? :head:

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bgreene 12-03-2021 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245530)
Even if it was true, so what? What does it prove? :head:

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You know EXACTLY what this proves - and you write “ so what “

So what ? That people are DYING in greater numbers that followed trump and others INSTEAD of following the scientific facts about covid .

So what says destroyer

bgreene 12-03-2021 07:19 AM

Destroyer doesn’t care that a higher percentage of Americans are dying from COVID because they follow the trump disdain for masks etc….

He writes “ so what”

So what is these people should follow the TRUTH SCIENCE AND FACTS and stay safer

bgreene 12-03-2021 12:38 PM

Yes indeed - a surprisingly large amount of people will follow BAD and INCORRECT information right off a cliff like a bison stampede.

Hospitals full of people pleading for the vaccine with doctors having to tell them …we’re so sorry - it’s too late. It’s just too late.
Destroyer writes “ so what”.

Destroyer 12-04-2021 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245546)
Yes indeed - a surprisingly large amount of people will follow BAD and INCORRECT information right off a cliff like a bison stampede.

Hospitals full of people pleading for the vaccine with doctors having to tell them …we’re so sorry - it’s too late. It’s just too late.
Destroyer writes “ so what”.

Your hyperbole is amazing. False, as usual, but amazing. My "so what" had nothing to do with people dying and you know it.. It had to do with your harping on the supposed difference between Trump supporters and Biden idiots. It doesn't matter Greene... They are still dead. The Virus doesn't pick between Repubs and Dems... It kills indiscriminately.

Here: You want to play the people dying game? MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED UNDER BIDEN THAN UNDER TRUMP. (And Trump delivered the vaccines that are actually saving peoples lives). There's a FACT for you.

bgreene 12-04-2021 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245550)
Your hyperbole is amazing. False, as usual, but amazing. My "so what" had nothing to do with people dying and you know it.. It had to do with your harping on the supposed difference between Trump supporters and Biden idiots. It doesn't matter Greene... They are still dead. The Virus doesn't pick between Repubs and Dems... It kills indiscriminately.

Here: You want to play the people dying game? MORE PEOPLE HAVE DIED UNDER BIDEN THAN UNDER TRUMP. (And Trump delivered the vaccines that are actually saving peoples lives). There's a FACT for you.

The FACT here is that trump supporters DYING as a greater percentage because they followed trumps lead of disdain for masks , mocking Dr Fauci and avoiding the vaccine

Did YOU get your vaccines ?

Destroyer 12-05-2021 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245559)
The FACT here is that trump supporters DYING as a greater percentage because they followed trumps lead of disdain for masks , mocking Dr Fauci and avoiding the vaccine

Did YOU get your vaccines ?

You asked me that already in a different thread. Not that I really care, but did you get YOUR vaccine?

bgreene 12-05-2021 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245588)
You asked me that already in a different thread. Not that I really care, but did you get YOUR vaccine?

Vaccinated, got booster shot , and wear mask inside stores etc.

Destroyer 12-06-2021 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245595)
Vaccinated, got booster shot , and wear mask inside stores etc.

Good for you. :clap: But do you wear gloves? Do you sanitize your hands as soon as you get back into your truck? Do you wipe down your purchases when you get home with disinfectant wipes before they come into your home?

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bgreene 12-06-2021 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245609)
Good for you. :clap: But do you wear gloves? Do you sanitize your hands as soon as you get back into your truck? Do you wipe down your purchases when you get home with disinfectant wipes before they come into your home?

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Wow - lookie lookie who takes EXTREME care to avoid COVID !!!
Now what can you do for the core Trump supporters dying at 3x the rate of others who ALSO take proper precautions ?

Yeh yeh - it’s their choice to die from covid.
Well - I hold your Republicans and Trump responsible for spewing their disinformation about COVID !

Destroyer 12-07-2021 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245626)
Wow - lookie lookie who takes EXTREME care to avoid COVID !!!
Now what can you do for the core Trump supporters dying at 3x the rate of others who ALSO take proper precautions ?

Yeh yeh - it’s their choice to die from covid.
Well - I hold your Republicans and Trump responsible for spewing their disinformation about COVID !

How very pompous of you to hold other people responsible for their actions. Who died and gave you that power?

Yes, we take extreme care. (my wife and I) We are both in the age group most effected by this pandemic. But the fact you seem to miss is that it's OUR choice, NOT the dictates of someone else.

Do I agree with people that refuse to take the vaccine? No. That's their choice. I watched a few football games over the weekend... Stadiums filled, packed with tens of thousands of fans. Almost none of them wearing masks. You want to try and tell me that every one of them is vaccinated? or that every one is a Republican? or whatever?

I also do not agree with your post about unvaccinated people dying at 3 times the rate of vaccinated people, but even if that's true what does it prove? That the vaccines work? We already know that. We also know that some people don't trust them or the government that is trying to force them to take them.

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bgreene 12-07-2021 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245649)
How very pompous of you to hold other people responsible for their actions. Who died and gave you that power?

Yes, we take extreme care. (my wife and I) We are both in the age group most effected by this pandemic. But the fact you seem to miss is that it's OUR choice, NOT the dictates of someone else.

Do I agree with people that refuse to take the vaccine? No. That's their choice. I watched a few football games over the weekend... Stadiums filled, packed with tens of thousands of fans. Almost none of them wearing masks. You want to try and tell me that every one of them is vaccinated? or that every one is a Republican? or whatever?

I also do not agree with your post about unvaccinated people dying at 3 times the rate of vaccinated people, but even if that's true what does it prove? That the vaccines work? We already know that. We also know that some people don't trust them or the government that is trying to force them to take them.

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You don’t care that your fellow trump supporters and fellow Americans are dying in much greater numbers than others ?
Wow sad commentary.

And YES I do hold people responsible for their actions - absolutely - from criminals to the lying cheating con man traitor Donald trump. This is America - we ARE responsible for our actions.
The REPUBLICAN disinformation campaign on covid leads these people to their death.

Destroyer 12-08-2021 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245665)
You don***8217;t care that your fellow trump supporters and fellow Americans are dying in much greater numbers than others ?
Wow sad commentary.

And YES I do hold people responsible for their actions - absolutely - from criminals to the lying cheating con man traitor Donald trump. This is America - we ARE responsible for our actions.
The REPUBLICAN disinformation campaign on covid leads these people to their death.

There you go again with that "Republican disinformation" campaign.... There is no such thing. Where's you proof?

Actually, I would make a good Buddhist. Vietnam changed me. I think ALL life is sacred. I don't even kill bugs if I can help it. So yes, anyone dying from Covid, when it probably could have been prevented, is a cause for sadness. But that is their choice and while it pains me, I recognize that it is their choice, not some bureaucrats, to make that choice.

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bgreene 12-08-2021 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245728)
There you go again with that "Republican disinformation" campaign.... There is no such thing. Where's you proof?

Actually, I would make a good Buddhist. Vietnam changed me. I think ALL live is sacred. I don't even kill bugs if I can help it. So yes, anyone dying from Covid, when it probably could have been prevented, is a cause for sadness. But that is their choice and while it pains me, I recognize that it is their choice, not some bureaucrats, to make that choice.

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It should therefore also pain you that the party of your preference guided these people to make grave choices - choices that cost other lives .

Destroyer 12-08-2021 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245741)
It should therefore also pain you that the party of your preference guided these people to make grave choices - choices that cost other lives .

Really? Where is your proof of that? I'm unaware of my party of choice guided them to make that choice. If you would look on Facebook or Twitter of just about any social media platform you'll see that people don't need government or parties to make their own decisions on how to run their lives. They are pretty smart.

(Oh, by the way, my party of choice is Independent. But for the last few election cycles I have almost exclusively voted Republican because i do not like the way the far left Democrat party is taking our Country).

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bgreene 12-08-2021 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245772)
Really? Where is your proof of that? I'm unaware of my party of choice guided them to make that choice. If you would look on Facebook or Twitter of just about any social media platform you'll see that people don't need government or parties to make their own decisions on how to run their lives. They are pretty smart.

(Oh, by the way, my party of choice is Independent. But for the last few election cycles I have almost exclusively voted Republican because i do not like the way the far left Democrat party is taking our Country).

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So explain WHY it is that the counties in our states that voted mostly trump are dying of COVID 2-3 X more than Biden supporters ?
You’ll go right to the fake news nonsense ……or how do we know it’s true or some other BS
it’s a FACT destroyer

Destroyer 12-08-2021 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245783)
So explain WHY it is that the counties in our states that voted mostly trump are dying of COVID 2-3 X more than Biden supporters ?
You’ll go right to the fake news nonsense ……or how do we know it’s true or some other BS
it’s a FACT destroyer

No, as I've said right along, I go right to the "what difference does it make? It's their decision". You keep posting it like it's come kind of world shattering event. It isn't. Even if it's true it changes nothing.

We both live in NJ. Today, in NJ there were 2,501 new cases of Covid. and sadly, there were 29 deaths. NJ is a blue state. Are you trying to tell us that of the people that died there were roughly 7 Democrats and 21 Republicans? how could you possibly know that, and even if it were true, what would it change? They are still dead.

As previously stated, I am not against vaccines. I am against vaccine mandates. Thankfully, a federal judge has agreed with me that Biden overstepped his authority and that his vaccine mandates are unconstitutional and illegal.

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bgreene 12-09-2021 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245787)
No, as I've said right along, I go right to the "what difference does it make? It's their decision". You keep posting it like it's come kind of world shattering event. It isn't. Even if it's true it changes nothing.

We both live in NJ. Today, in NJ there were 2,501 new cases of Covid. and sadly, there were 29 deaths. NJ is a blue state. Are you trying to tell us that of the people that died there were roughly 7 Democrats and 21 Republicans? how could you possibly know that, and even if it were true, what would it change? They are still dead.

As previously stated, I am not against vaccines. I am against vaccine mandates. Thankfully, a federal judge has agreed with me that Biden overstepped his authority and that his vaccine mandates are unconstitutional and illegal.

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Counties destroyer - counties in states densely populated by trump supporters are dying from covid at 2-3 times the rate of Biden supporters .
That’s not good.
The reason is crystal clear - because they followed trumps mockery of masks and other Republican disinformation about COVID and vaccines.

Destroyer 12-11-2021 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245809)
Counties destroyer - counties in states densely populated by trump supporters are dying from covid at 2-3 times the rate of Biden supporters .
That’s not good.
The reason is crystal clear - because they followed trumps mockery of masks and other Republican disinformation about COVID and vaccines.

And for the umpteenth time I ask you... What Republican "disinformation" are you talking about?

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bgreene 12-11-2021 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245895)
And for the umpteenth time I ask you... What Republican "disinformation" are you talking about?

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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...misinformation

Destroyer 12-12-2021 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245897)

Interesting article. I like WebMD. Truthfully everything in their poll(s) that is in that article is interesting. I especially liked the differences between the amount of people that agreed with the Democrat sources vs the number of people that agreed with the Republican sources.

However, NONE of it relates to or provides any link to your statement about "Republican disinformation." It merely reports how many people were likely to believe one side or the other. I mean, based on that article, an argument could be made towards either side, since neither side provided any real facts other than the results of the poll(s). So I'll wait for your proof that the Republicans are spreading disinformation. Good article though. Thank you

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bgreene 12-13-2021 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245918)
Interesting article. I like WebMD. Truthfully everything in their poll(s) that is in that article is interesting. I especially liked the differences between the amount of people that agreed with the Democrat sources vs the number of people that agreed with the Republican sources.

However, NONE of it relates to or provides any link to your statement about "Republican disinformation." It merely reports how many people were likely to believe one side or the other. I mean, based on that article, an argument could be made towards either side, since neither side provided any real facts other than the results of the poll(s). So I'll wait for your proof that the Republicans are spreading disinformation. Good article though. Thank you

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Why do you believe trump supporters are DYING at 2-3 X the rate of Biden supporters ?
Never mind your endless requesting information that’s easily available

Destroyer 12-14-2021 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245933)
Why do you believe trump supporters are DYING at 2-3 X the rate of Biden supporters ?
Never mind your endless requesting information that’s easily available

How do we really know that figure? Do you mean to tell me that Doctors tell their patients "your dying so I need to know if you're democrat or Republican".

As for the endless requesting of information, if it were easily available why haven't you submitted it as asked for?

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bgreene 12-14-2021 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 245956)
How do we really know that figure? Do you mean to tell me that Doctors tell their patients "your dying so I need to know if you're democrat or Republican".

As for the endless requesting of information, if it were easily available why haven't you submitted it as asked for?

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Hospitals keep the records - this is all factual which of course you deny as usual

oteps 12-14-2021 12:07 PM

I just got over covid. Other than being really tired and a cough, I have had a hangover worse. Guess covid thought I voted for biden? My son had a stuffy nose and cough for a day.

bgreene 12-14-2021 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oteps (Post 245974)
I just got over covid. Other than being really tired and a cough, I have had a hangover worse. Guess covid thought I voted for biden? My son had a stuffy nose and cough for a day.

And that means what to you ?
The approx 770,000 Americans DEAD from covid don’t matter to you ?


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