Is Trump the " Manchrian Candidate"
 

I don't mean literally...but I do refer to the issues.

Why don't you tell us.

Been reading the chicago tribune again

Trump is Trump... So far all of his cabinet picks have been made with mostly business oriented personnel, which is right in line with his promises to run the government like a business. I don't know that I agree with all his choices, but then again, I'm not a billionaire either... so for now I'll defer to him on who's best for what position. :head:

Remember guys, it took decades for us to get into the place we are in right now. He's not going to be able to change all that in a few weeks.. Hell, he's not even in office yet, so lets see how we feel about him in a few years. 2020 is always an option if we don't like him, but my bet is that we will vote him into office a second time. :beer:

A bit curious about the whole Russia thing........CIA reports proof of hacking to enhance anti Clinton on wikilinks.....and Trump adds Russia connected guys into his team.

I'm not.....repeat.....NOT participating in a liberal vs etc argument.....just making the statement, and we'll see where this goes once he's in office.

Also read that the day Trump takes office, he'll be breaking USA federal law if he hasn't yet disconnected from his businesses.

Interesting times for sure.

Not a day goes by, i don't break 2 or 3 federal laws, and thats just the ones i know about.

You read fake news. There is no stature that says that a person has to disconnect him or herself from their business while being president. In fact, most early presidents were farmers and ran their farm (business) while they were in office. (That's why there are term limits on being president, because the framers of the constitution could not conceive of anyone wanting to be away from their farm for very long, so they made the term limit to force people to stay in office for at least 4 years). Of course that pendulum has swung the other way now, but that's why term limits were originally mandated.

As for the Russian thing, Jullian Asage, the publisher of Wikileaks, on Hannity today, stated very clearly that the source of the Wikileaks info he published about Jon Podesta's emails did NOT come from Russia. He denied it completely. And the guys that Trump has added are connected to Russia, England, France, China, Germany, the middle east, etc. They are global businessmen and players on the world stage. So unless you're afraid of England or France turning against us I wouldn't worry all that much. (And I'd remind everyone that we already do HUGE amounts of business with China, one of the most repressive communist regimes on Earth).

" I read fake news"........see there we go :)

CIA info wrong ?

As I wrote, interesting times. For the sake of it, I'd bet if Clinton had won, and the Russia hacking thing was in reverse, instead of discounting as nonsense, Mr. Trump would be making a lot of noise.
And this isn't to say that I'm not pro Trump on certain issues, because I am.
I tend to side with Arnold Schwartzenneger....he's strong Republican, thought Trump ultimately not the right guy, but is hopeful, and encourages bi partisanship now. Arnold's also a strong environmentalist. Go Arnold.........he'll be back.

I can't see Arnold in one of our V's though........more like a 50' CC with triple 7 Marine 626hps.

Actually Trump DID say something about the Russians hacking MONTHS ago, oblamer discredited and his words were Trump should quit whining about it and worry about winning. The CIA said MONTHS ago that there was no hacks, the emails were released by internal whistleblowers tired of seeing what was going on, but now that she lost, they've changed there story. And if you watch any of the non main stream news, they point out what evidence has been shown to prove Russia did do any hacking. So far it has been unsubstantiated conjecture with zero proof behind it. So we have reports from MONTHS ago backing up what Assange is saying now, and there has even been internal dnc staff who came forward before and said the leaks came from whistle blowers, but the butthurt democrats have now moved on and are blaming the Russians. So who will they blame next?

Don't know Therm.... but I don't like this new " news " where people just discredit news if it's not their point of view and call it........false.

All kinds of historical denials from purse snatchers to holocaust deniers.

We have to figure out what's real and what's propaganda.

So which do you call new news and which is false. The same news just 2 months ago was saying EVERYTHING they're saying now could NEVER happen. So do we believe them now or then? Or do we believe independant news that coincides with what the main stream was saying 2 months ago?

Bread and circus.

I find it very interesting that the same media that is now saying Russia was fully capable of hacking into the DNC server and Jon Podesta's email account is curiously quiet about that same Country being capable of hacking into HRC's unprotected private email server and stealing all those top secret documents...... including the 30,000 "private and personal emails about her Yoga classes that got deleted after they were subpoenaed. Kinda makes you wonder... Hmmmmmmm????

Sure does !

mawshj
 

If this nation put as much effort into making sure that it's citizens, gov. , military retailers, etc. could not be hacked as we do fighting about who and why and how we were hacked we would be way ahead. But then what would we put on tv?

Screw tv, turned off the bs comcast a while back, one of the better things ive done this year.

Republican Senator John McCain is saying some things worth considering.

I am.

Screw John McCain!

Agreed. RINO through and through. He may be a war hero, and I give him (and anyone else that fought in the Vietnam war) a ton of credit, but he's an establishment, don't rock the boat, spend money like it was water, part of the problem, not the solution Senator IMHO. :head:

Wow, and I thought John McCain the " Rambo" of the party.....beloved by all.

Trump's like John Gotti when he was at his height of power.....they called him the " Teflon Don" because nothing bad stuck to him.....till it did.

We'll see. In the meantime, it's only about 120 days till I'm fishing again !!!

NO! Mcsame hasn't been liked in a LONG time. It took an EXTREME amount of gagging on vomit to vote for him in 08.

I should take them both fishing on my v21......Trump and McCain......I could just imagine:

Trump - " I'm going to catch the most fish, and the biggest fish, just you watch, it's going to be unbelievable. fantastic, amazing, because I'm a winner, and only losers get skunked"

McCain - " You'll never be a real man until you get skunked.....I've been skunked fishing many times and know what it is to come back without fish to feed my family.

Me - Ok, ok guys, shut up and get in the boat. By the way Donald.....did you happen to bring your wife ? It's ok with me if she joins us......:)

<sigh>

Looking good so far.

Agreed. They (Trumps administration) has had a couple minor stumbles, a party that controls the media and the teachers in our schools "resisting" him at every turn, a blatantly political court with an 85% overturn rate by the supreme court on their stupid decisions risking the security of all Americans notwithstanding. He's actually doing something that no previous president for a VERY long time has done. He's actually doing what he promised to do while he was campaigning. Bringing jobs back? Check. Extreme vetting of people from terror states? Check. Starting the process for building a wall on the border? Check. Repeal/replace the (un)ACA? Check. Ended funding for any group outside the USA that provides Abortions? Check. Signed a Presidential directive that makes all Federal agencies delete 2 rules (laws) for any new one they put in place? Check. I could go on, but you get the idea. He's actually doing what he said he would do. Even though he was not my first choice (I liked Cruz) I have to admit I like a man that does what he said he was going to do. Because of the way the tax laws are structured in Congress he can't do anything about taxes until the (un)ACA is taken care of, but I'm hopeful that will be done shortly. All in all I give him a solid A so far. Not an A+ because there were some stumbles like I said, and there's always room for improvement, but certainly much better so far than the previous POTUS did in the same period of time in both of his tenures. :head:

He's making some enemies today with conservatives in libertarians. After civil asset forfwiture was nearing it's death, he has said not only will he keep it, but he plans on ramping it up and making it more difficult to get YOUR belongings back after they've been seized. I read about it in a fox news article posted up by none other than Ted Nugent calling Trump out for his remarks about it. Many have lost there lives to blatantly obvious false civil asset forfeiture, and he wants to ramp it up.

I agree that some civil asset cases are so far out as to be unbelievable, and would also point out that they all have occurred under previous administrations. To the best of my knowledge none have taken place yet under President Trumps admin. That being said, understand that it's really a states issue. 12 states have passed laws making it necessary for the police to secure a conviction before they can seize the property. Asset forfeiture has become a great money generating tool for the police, and like anything that makes money for the government, it's subject to abuse by that same government. (Think of how much the cost of a speeding ticket has increased over the years as an example). Unfortunately, the same has become common practice in asset forfeiture cases in far to many states. Reform IS necessary, but the POTUS's remarks last week during the Sheriff's meeting and his appointment of Sen. Session's have done little to hearten opponents to the practice.

I agree, but I doubt that Hillary would do different, we NEED to call our representatives over and over !!

just wanna give yall a couple of questions to think about on this russian hacking topic. questions that i think are the really important ones that i never hear anyone asking

were the leaked emails fabricated, false or untrue?
by all accounts ive seen, no

what was in the leaked emails?
looks to me like the DNC and our setting govt at the time were trying to rig the election

why would the russians or anyone else be considered our enemy for telling the american people the truth?
same reason we have the second amendment, if you ask me

have the same people calling for action against russia ever meddled in foreign elections?
other than all the bombs that have fallen, regimes overthrown and countless cases of the obvious lets consider this... former POTUS obama, while in office, sent his entire campaign staff along with over 200 million dollars of taxpayer money to Israel where they ran a campaign for one presidential candidate over another. Israel! arguably our greatest Allie. this is a matter of historical fact, as is all the trouble it caused. no one denies it, the media just doesnt mention it


now theyve got this recording of some trump guy talking to some russian guy... well, WHO THE **** RECORDED THAT CONVERSATION?
oh it doesnt matter who recorded it, its what was said (not much) that matters. REALLY?

most important question i can ask right here...
why is "divide and conquer" called the oldest trick in the book?
is it because it stil works or is it because its so easy to do to a puplation that has been so dumbed down that a small group of people claiming to be a majority can sway so much power at the behest of a govt that is suppose to support the majority. all because our televisions have taught us that its the right thing to do


one more thing for DESTROYER... the "framers of the constitution" did not include term limits in our constitution. that came about around 1950, i think, after a very popular president sat in office way too long, accomplished way too much and when he was finally gone republicans and democrats in washington decided that they could never let that happen again and passed the 22nd (???) amendment

mawshj
 

I think it is time to take the 17 spy divisions of U.S. Gov down to 1 or 2. these guys spend too much $ trying to take down each other instead of our enemy. I can't recall one time when they prevented anything. All they do is provide NOISE and try to be self important. Wen the media start talking about leaks and who talked to who. TURN IT OFF

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