Thinking about a 2nd V project.
 

Now that my green machine is getting wrapped up and ready for striper season every time I go by there and see it I see more and more I want to do. Problems is that I really need my boat in the water!!! I'm having major withdrawals of being on the bay. So I think my solution may be easy...buy another boat!! Lol. Sounds crazy, I know, but to get what I vision in my head would mean just tearing my perfectly fine boat to pieces.

Here's what I want. Something bare essential simple. I like the way the first v-20 center consoles were with just the top cap and open floor, not the whole one piece tub. Couple hatches in the floor, console with a seat on the front, big wide open floor for fishing room. Probably about 30 rod holders around the cap. Closed transom with a bracket, 150-200 hp outboard. Would love a 4-stroke if it's in the cards.

This will be a couple year project but when done it would be exactly what I want. So my first thought is finding a good hull to start. Hopped on CL and bam...there she is.

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Found this gem about 40 minutes from home. Has titles to both trailer and boat. He wants $425 for both, may be able to haggle him down a bit. Transom is shot but I really don't care about that obviously. Going to go check it out this weekend. If I get it i probably won't start working on it until the new year but it'll be there ready to go.

And if this goes through I will have many salvage parts that will be free for the taking. Really would love to find a V-21 to do this but they seem much rarer.

From one addict to another, you need to get some help.

http://www.addictioncareoptions.com/

The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have a problem



But honestly, i don't see a problem

I know I have a problem. My wife reminds me daily. Nothing wrong with having another lawn ornament. He said the trailer is solid, just needs tires so hell there's my money's worth. Got the cash out the bank today, it's killing me that he can't meet until Sunday.

Was supposed to go pick the boat up this morning but of course my 4 year old was up puking all night so I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we all get it. I'd hate to get up there and get sick. Wondering if it's a sign not to worry about it right now. Not that I'd be too worried about working on it any time soon.

My buddy Chris Leigh at Oyster Cove has a V 21 project...no motor. Tee Roy know the boat, ask him about it

Troy was telling me about a V-21 in Gloucester. I bet that was it. I don't need much of a hull as my plans are much like Kracker Jacks build. Simple, light and clean. I asked Troy what they wanted for it but he never said. V-21 center console would be cool.

Probably gonna start a dog fight with this, but i never have thought the 21 was much improvement over the 20. Still has a splashwell and the extra foot is a eurotransom hybrid stuck on the stern. Id go with a seadrive hull or an i/o with a bracket.

Interesting. I've never seen a 21 so not sure if the differences. Thought maybe she'd be a little wider as well. I was told the boat at the top of this forum had a 350 mercruiser in it. Part of me would put a bracket and OB on it yet part of me thinks a 350 would be badass, plus I know those motors like the back of my hand.

V21 has curved side windshields... = 5 extra mph easy. :p

WHO says having more than one boat is an addiction? Hogwash.. !!! Simply not true!

Oh, I got this over the weekend..... Engine will go on my V21, trailer will go under the V20. V21's engine will go on the V20. The boat will either be stripped and scrapped or just the controls for the engine removed and then sold if anyone here wants a 20' center console with a cracked transom. (Accident, not rotted) See? All very logical... No addiction at all.........


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Destroyer, it's ok, you're still in denial. You have to be ready to accept help, nobody can do it for you. Don't worry, when you're ready we'll be here for you.

I have a confession to make to the group. For the last couple of months I haven't been updating my signature with new project boats I've had pass through the yard. Hiding them in friends yards temporarily has left me with feelings of guilt. Plus I've thought that y'all here probably thought I was just trying to show off. Feels better to get that off my chest.

BTW, I turned DOWN two free boats this week, one with a galvanized trailer.

V21 is not wider. just adds a foot onto the transom...like a very short bracket.
It is gonna allow you more space behind your console to fish and still be able to raise the motor.

Don't see how you could make a 350 i/o centerconsole unless you put the helm way way forward


besides , everyone knows cuddy is the way to go!

How bad is the crack? Could it be plated just to hang my 130 on the back?

While I think owning both and center console as well as a cuddy V-20 would be great I'm just not a big fan of the cuddy's. I can't give a good reason, I'm not sure what it is about them. But slapping a bracket on this one with a 200 to match the Green Machine would be pretty cool. The more I think about it the less I want to keep it IB/OB.

I guess once I have a chance to go get it and see what kind of shape it's really in we will go from there. If I got to pop the cap and replace floors, stinger and the whole 9 yards I'll convert it to a big wide open center console for sure. Of course I'm super busy at work all week and this storm is supposed to smash us this weekend so thinking about heading to the mountains to a family cabin to dodge the storm. Hopefully he won't sell it before I can get there and if so then I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

The transom is thinner that a V20's... I'd say 1 1/2" thick. It cracked right at the top 2 bolts. The Todd cooler seat with a flip backrest is in good mechanical shape but the upholstery is shot. All the controls seem to be in good shape. The steering is nice and free. According to the PO the steering cable is only 1 year old. Zero signs of rust or any damage on it. I've already removed the engine and will be towing the boat to my house, probably tomorrow. The bottom two bolts have a full length plate across them and I don't see any signs of damage. The top two bolts only had a small square of plate behind each one and that's probably why the transom cracked. On a score of 1-10 with 10 being brand new I'd give the overall condition of the boat a solid 5. The hull is solid. It's dirty and needs some TLC, and of course the transom needs to be reinforced or replaced, but with a lighter engine it just might be feasible. Officially the boat is 19'6" in length. I'd call it 19 foot realistically. If you want to take a look at it before I start stripping it let me know. I'll PM you my phone number. The tandem axle trailer under the boat is not included in the sale, but I have a good single axle trailer with papers that's sitting under my V20 that is included. The two Cannon downrigger mounts are not included.

Don't think about it - just do it!

Just picked up a 1977 V20 center console with Evinrude 150 and tandem axle trailer to go along with my 1984 V20 Cuddy. The CC needs some work but as I tell the wife - "it keeps me out of the bars"

i really like your build ideas. i/o vs outboard??? ithink it gotta be a personal preference to go i/o. if form follows function then the outboard wins hands down in all aspects. lighter, faster, more fuel efficient, more room onboard and as far as working on it goes, a 2stroke outboard is a much simpler and usually more reliable design. if you learned your way around a 350 you will learn your way around an outboard. but if you want an i/o... thats pretty effing cool too!

every inch of a boat is a compromise and there are always pros and cons to every design decision. and thats why having two boats is such a huge advantage. especially when they are both the same hull. think about it. you got a boat in the water. your not missing out on anything cause your boat isnt finished. you can take your time, do it right. you will never cut a corner, scale back or compromise cause youre itching to get your boat in the water. thats gotta help the build quality. plus having one so similar on the water... youve got a really good idea of what you want, how well its gonna work and what youve gotta give up to get it.

for what youre talking about doing i truly hope that you dont leave any wood in that boat. seacast is kinda heavy but extra weight in the stringers isnt a bad idea. maybe a layer or two of kevlar around the stringers and in the nose use heavier materials below the water line to make that puppy rock solid. then save as much weight as you can topside on hatches, gunnels and such. watch ebay for cf reminents. keep the cog low. i say go for it, built not bought!

This is my exact thinking. I can take 2 or 3 years to build a rock solid, life long boat as long as I have one I can use regularly.

As for the wood in the boat, ideally I would like to have no wood at all in the boat. Seacast is the pourable stuff correct? I have a bad taste about some composites as my buddy's boat had a composite floor put in and around his gas tank it actually got soft and spongy due to water getting in screw holes. I thought that was the sole purpose of the composite?? Not sure exactly what it was but I need to try to find out so I can avoid it.

DESTROYER - I share your thought process of matching / swapping / rigging from more than one rig to set up another......

I " run this equation " when I start thinking about next boat possibilities.

In a minor way, I did so by selling my last boat, buying the V21 for 1/2 the sold boat money, then using the $$ to buy new trailer, and rig it with used low hour Etec 200 HO, and sold the motor it came with........a great evinrude !50 looper.

It can be a good way to limit the spend ( sort of ) by using older boat packages where it can work out.

Exactly. I'm pretty much hoping to eventually break even. I have 2 single axle boat trailers that fit 20' boats, both galvanized, heavy duty, no rust that I intend to sell after I do the mentioned swaps. And the 225HP Looper Johnson that's on the V20 now will get sold for a profit in the spring when people are looking for engines. That money will go into Destroyer's Etec bank towards my future (and hopefully last) engine swap on the V21. (Although Yamaha is a serious contender right now for the final engine swap also)

yes, seacast is the pourable stuff. been around long enough that i would call it proven technology. i have it in my transom and stringers and im impressed. but do your own research, theirs lots of info out there. as for your buddies boat... probably more to do with craftsmanship than material. anddont be afraid of foam either. tons of horror stories of waterlogged foam. pretty sure my dually has that issue cause it list hard to stbd. i just correct it with my tabs for now. but when the fishing slows down and i redo it i wil absolutely put foam back in every single air void in it. good quality products that are properly installed...there is absolutely no reason not to use current technology on these old boats