Trump or crooked hillary vote for one I will start
 

Trump

Trump

He makes me a little nervous but Trump.

I am giving SERIOUS consideration to voting 3rd party this time.

Ferm, I completely and totally understand your hesitation, BUT.. since none of the third party candidates really have a snowballs chance in hell, voting for one of them is exactly the same as casting a vote for Hillary. Yes, Trump makes me nervous, but look at it this way. If I vote for Hillary I KNOW that she will try and take away my guns and my 2nd amendment rights. She will appoint at least one and possibly up to 4 Supreme Court judges during the next 4 years, and you can bet they will be ultra liberal in any decision they pass down. On the other hand Trump says he's a conservative and will appointing conservative judges. Maybe he's lying, but maybe he's telling the truth. At least I have a fighting chance with Trump. So he gets my vote and my prayers that God will guide him.

Hillary

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Trump.

Trump

There is so much more to it too. Theres videos out there less than 3 years old of Trump talking about how great hillary is, how bill was teh best president we've ever had, and how he regarded them as good people. I brought it up to a friend of mine who's gone to Trump, and all he could say was he's better than hillary.

As to a vote for a 3rd party being a vote for hillary, if you're a lefty you say the same thing except that it's a vote for Trump. I used to be this way as well. Do a search here on this forum of my posts, and you'll see back in 08 how I was one of the loudest ones screaming a vote for anybody other than McCain was a vote for obama. I came to realise this is just BS. A vote for ANYBODY is just that, a vote for who YOU believe in. It's everybody being convinced that it's a wasted vote that has got us into the predicament were in now. If you look back into Trump's history, it isn't a pretty picture. 3 years ago he's touting how great hillary is and how good a person she is all the while praising the clintons. He becomes the birther poster child before that questioning the VERY man HE ADMITTEDLY voted for in 08. Before this he's a self proclaimed liberal democrat in favor of abortions, gun control, higher taxes for all espescially the wealthy, and so on and so on. There is so much wrong with him I don't know where to begin, but somehow he has become our "CONSERVATIVE" nominee?

There is so much more I could type out about why I dislike him, but I'll leave it at my biggest fear about trump. What do we believe he will do? Do we REALLY believe he is somehow a completely changed man? Do we believe he will keep to his campaign promises of now, of 6 months ago, a year ago, or will he go back to how he believed for the majority of his life? If he goes back to the Trump of even 5 years ago, what real difference is there between him and hillary? I know many will say, but he didn't get anybody killed, or ignore those in Benghazi leading to what happened to them, or he's never mishandled classified documents? But ask yourself this BEFORE you say that, when has he had the chance to do any of those things? We had MANY candidates who were running this go round who would have DEMOLISHED hillary in LANDSLIDE wins according to the polls, but somehow we got the ONE candidate who consistently loses to her in the polls as our guy.

With all this being said, I may still vote for him. The ONE thing that is driving me to it is quite honestly how BADLY the likes of news outlets like CNN, MSNBC, and the rest of the liberal rags are portraying him and spinning his comments. They are trying so hard to spin the stories, they are actually making me like him. We'll see what happens as I've already been through he!! because I won't support him(been disowned by my dad's brother, most of his kids, and had all kinds of made up crap thrown in my face because I wouldn't "kiss his ring" and fall in line with his beliefs, and quite a bit of other things), so this election will be a tough one for me.

Okay. As I said in my other post, I completely understand your hesitation. Trump was not my first choice either. If you recall, I was solidly for Cruz. but the same media that is now castigating Trump was singing his praises back in the primary's, because they knew he was the one candidate that HRC might be able to beat. So they sang his praises and we got him as our nominee. Now that he is, they are vilifying him and NOT reporting on HRC's ongoing problems. Anyone that doesn't believe the mainstream media is solidly behind HRC is a fool. It's disgusting actually, how much they fawn over her.

As to your point about Trump not being a true Republican,, yes, you're correct. He is, first and foremost, a businessman. And he conductes most of his business from NYC, which is solidly Democratic. So he HAD TO BE a democrat if he wanted to survive. He plays the game very well, as is evidenced by the huge fortune he has made. I've both worked in NYC, with some very nice people. If you want to avoid being blacklisted and not getting any jobs, you're a Democrat. Period. End of sentence. So 3 years ago he was a Democrat, fawning over the very powerful Clintons, trying to get some project or another approved. Like I said, he was a businessman first, and a politician last. I might also point out another Democrat that saw the light and changed sides... Let's see... now what was his name?..... Oh ya, I remember. President Reagan. So just because you were a dem doesn't mean you can't change and become something great.

I'm truly sorry for anything that this election cycle may have cost you with your family. No family should ever be that split. My sister and brother in law are solidly Dems, and I know they are going to vote for her, but I love them anyways. Look, I'm not asking you to vote Trump for your family, or for any other reason other than he's really a very smart man that we (as a Country) have a *chance* of surviving the next 4 or 8 years with. We already know that if HRC gets in we will have more national debt, we will probably lose our 2nd amendment rights, the sky will fall, and they will take our beer!!!... Are you listening to me????!!!! Seriously though, just vote for the person that you think will hurt our precious Country the least. To me, that person is Trump. Not that I really like him, but because I KNOW, deep down inside, that he's better than crooked Hillary.

Hillary

Ferm - I share your concerns. To your question "What's the difference", the huge difference is that he actually has executive experience - lots of it and seemingly quite successful. I think there's a lot to that. Obama got elected with a resume that wouldn't have qualified him to manage a small gas station and I don't think Hillary has much more executive experience than he did - she certainly hasn't got a minute fraction of Trump's experience. Then, of course there's the lying and the pantsuits.

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I will say I stayed up last night to watch the rerun of Hannity's show where they showed Trump's speech last night in Wisconsin. They said it was his 1st speech with a teleprompter, and it was a completely different Trump. You could tell he winged some of it, but with a prompter he actually had direction to his words instead of just bouncing off the walls. And I'll be the 1st to admit how hard it is to just speak without notes and stay on track, so I don'thold that against him. If he had done this from the get go, this would be a different race right now. Hopefully he finds some better writers(the speech last night was to much ethnic pandering for votes imo), but if he keeps that up, he has a real shot at winning.

As to hillary, I would like to hear some HONEST reasons how people could justify voting for her. Were all entitled to our own opinions, but I personnally cannot see how anybody could vote for her with everything thats happenned.

Neither one has ever cut their own grass.

Trunk

Part of the reason (and I'll freely admit it's not a sound reason) that I'd like to see Trump win is to watch the media's collective heads explode. They would be completely unhinged.

As I said elsewhere, I don't know what President Trump will actually do, but I DO know exactly what President Clinton will do, and none of it is good for me or my family. NONE of it.

I hope the new people handling Trump and managing his campaign keep it up. I just hop its not to little to late. His speech in Wisconsin, yesterday, and his appearance on Hannity actually sound presidential with direction and purpose whereas before it was like wall, isis, squirrel, crooked hillary, squirrel, taxes, and so on. It was alot of incoherent babble with no direction. If he would have had a teleprompter or even just some notes to keep him on track from the get go, hillary would be in prison right now because she would be in the single digits polling and they would have turned on her.

Trump

Hillary - Sorry but its "the devil that you know". I am completely intrigued by the idea of Trump coming in on day one with his tough talk and telling China and the like to go F themselves. The only problem is I don't think there is ANY plan for day 2 through 1460 or 4 more years after that for that matter. His over simplification of world politics is frightening and not worth the risk.

I'll wait for the next go around to get status quo politicians out of Washington because for now he ain't it.

Rob, I completely understand your hesitation about Trump. As I've said many times already, he was not my first choice. (I wanted Cruz).. Anyway, let me just say one thing about him. He's a businessman. He wrote one of the most definitive books (The Art of the Deal) that's every been written about doing business. Say what you want about him being racist, a womanizer, etc. Although I don't believe it I won't debate it. But I will say that I think he's got better business acumen than to tell China or Japan or Mexico or any other country for that matter to go f themselves. I'd much rather trust our Country's future financial matters to someone that actually knows how to negotiate business deals than to someone that's never run a business in their life. Again, I understand your hesitation, but I ask you to please take a second look at him. He's really not the 2 headed monster being portrayed in the mainstream media.

Again, good to see you back here :) Missed you and WIllie and Reel and a few others... :fam: (We need to go fishing).

mawshj
 

Both Trump and Hillary have gone on record to make huge changes in our gov. When Trump get to Washington he will try to move us in the right direction but will be opposed by all the existing "more of the sames " so He may move us a little in the good direction. when Hillary gets there she will be helped by all of the more of the sames and will move us quickly and far in the wrong direction,4 more years might be a long time

The thing that scares me the hell about HRC is not what *she* will do to our Country, but what will happen as a result of her SCOTUS appointments. Right now they are split 4-4 conservative/liberal. If she gets in she will appoint liberal judges that will tip the balance of power to the liberal way of thinking and we won't be able to stop them. They will "interpret" the constitution rather than follow it. We will get to a place in our Country that I'm not sure we will ever be able to recover from. That's what scares me the most.

Well said Destroyer-

The Supreme Court appointees that will come about over the course of the next 4-8 years is one of, if not the most important thing to consider when casting a ballot in November.

Take a walk through Arlington National Cemetery, the men and women burried there represent the liberty that we enjoy today. A vote for Hillary or any liberal Democrat for that matter disrespects the sacrifices these brave souls made.

True they never cut there own grass but the differance is one hired an illegal alien the other hired a American owned company

Trump hired illegal Polacks and didn't pay them and contracted with lots of hard working American sub contractors (I personally know one of them) and didn't pay them either. They got stiffed but he still kept his helicopter and jet and billionaire lifestyle. He is a piece of crap, always has been, always will be.

And this is bull$!##

How many 10s of thousands of those men voted for Roosevelt?
My father is in a National Cemetery and I will be too someday.
Crap, just crap....

Politics is an old Latin phrase.

Poly meaning "many".

Ticks meaning "small blood sucking organisms".

Charlie the tuna
I knew there was something that I liked about you
Trump
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Just to clarify, those headstones symbolize sacrifice and those sacrifices are why we enjoy the liberty afforded us in the Bill of Rights.

Obama, Hillary and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views.

SkunkBoat, while I do not agree with you regarding your political leanings, I respect your thoughts and views, as well as your right to believe them. I also cleary understand your thoughts regarding my views. A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength." To this, I concur.

The question is not trump or hrc, they are both self serving as are many politicians. the question is big gov. or small gov. . Do we want more King Obama or more leave us alone Regan

There in lies the problem I have. Up until less than a decade ago, Trump was all about more obama. He's even on video admitting hevoted for obama in 08. So are we to believe the campaign promises of Trump, or his past record? And Trump has publicly admitted he felt Reagan was a poor president and that Clinton was our best(until campaign Trump came about, now he's backpeddling that one).

crooked Trump or Hillary?
 

Slightly less than half of the electorate might agree with your statement about Obama and Hillary. Slightly more than half of the electorate might agree with this change to your statement;
"Trump,Cruz, Ryan, McConnell and their cronies have no respect for our liberty. They wish to rewrite the constitution to fit their thoughts and views. They will do this by stacking the Supreme Court with Justices who emulate their views."


I apologize if I was rude. It was a reaction to the implication that I am somehow disrespectful of the sacrifices of veterans. As a son of a 30 year Navy man and a 6 year sailor myself, I take your comment personally.

The Republican party and/or Trump(whatever he is) and you do not own the sacrifices of veterans, nor patriotism, nor the flag, nor the constitution.

And I'm not saying that the Democrats own them either.

I'm not a wide eyed fan of Hillary. She is an experienced, competent lawyer-politician and my guts hate that.
But face it, that is what Congressmen and Senators and Presidents have to be. They have to have knowledge of the workings of government and connections with enough people and groups and associations and businesses to get things done. Some people think that is the problem with government but that is democracy. People band together to argue for what they want.

Hillary has been under scrutiny for 25 years. There have been numerous multi-year, multi-million dollar special commission fishing expeditions trying to pin one thing or another on her. Say what you will, she kicks *** as a lawyer-politician and she's got HUGE balls to keep coming back for more.
I kinda want a bulldog like that working for me. At least she's not Bernie...

Trump will never hold up to that scrutiny. He has opened up a can of worms and he is going "regret" it.
All he has going for him is an appeal to gut reactions. It might feel good, but burning down your house to kill the rats in the attic just leaves you with no house. His rudeness feels good but...
A popular quote by Eric Hoffer comes to mind... "Rudeness is the weak (person's) immitation of strength." :nut:


I am so tired of this idea that the government is ruining America. "The Government" IS America. There is no America without it. It is full of every kind of American, doing things that at least some Americans want or not doing things that other Americans don't want. It is one giant messy compromise between us all. Been that way for 240 years.

I hear a lot of bad talk about "liberal democrats" and labor unions.
I don't consider myself a liberal democrat and I've never been in a union, but..
I like 40 hr work weeks, overtime, sick days and vacation, 401k, and medical /dental. I like cars with seat belts and airbags and disc brakes and 30 mpg. I like water and air without lead, arsenic and pcb's. I like the EPA (thank you Nixon). I like that my mom gets Social Security and Medicare. I like that my next door neighbor can't raise pigs because of zoning regulations. I like that I can call "the government" to make my neighbor remove the 20' storage container that has been in his driveway for a year and a half. My wife and I own a flower shop. I like that I can get the police to move a jacka$$ selling roses from a van on the side of the road because he doesn't have a vendor permit and a tax id number. I'm glad the north won the Civil War and kept America and Americans together. I hate to think what the world would be if that were not so. I like the end of segregation and Civil Rights Acts of 64 and 68 because they moved us closer to an America that lives by its words. I like the 14th Amendment that applies the US Bill of Rights to all State and local governments.

So yes, I'm going to vote for Democrats because, as screwed up as they are, at least they are trying to do things and succeeding at some of them. They are looking forward not backwards.
Republicans now just want to undo things. "Government regulation is bad. Vote for me and I'll do nothing new and I'll undo things that the people wanted before".

I think America is great NOW. I'm not afraid of Muslims or Mexicans.
I'm not afraid of ISIS or Al Quaida or the IRA or the KKK... The only way to beat terrorism is to be yourself, live by your values and not be terrified.
The only thing that can hurt America is a bunch of Americans who think they are going to save America from "The Government" with small arms and truck bombs.

So I'm done with the Politics thread.:sick:
I hope to see you in the Fishing threads:beer:

Trump.

We are totally thoroughly screwed if the marxist Clinton gets in. 56% of the population doesn't trust her, the mainstream media is shilling for her, most polls oversample democrats, and she is hiding from the public because whenever she opens her mouth her poll numbers drop, even with the oversampling.

If there was a fair and open election tomorrow Trump would win hands down.

I heard yesterday that Homeland Security is going to take charge of the election. Does that give anyone the warm fuzzies? Like Joe Stalin said - "it doesn't matter who casts the votes, what matters is who counts the votes". The voting machines are probably already precoded to toss the election to Hillary.

wow!

And myself and I'm sure several others said the same to your response above his. It's the nature of politics, people believe what they believe, and thats about it. So you say wow to his post, when I'm betting several here agree with much of it. You have your views, just like each of us has our own differing viewpoints.

As Abraham Lincoln once said.........

Hillary was/is an acolyte of the marxist agitator Saul Alinsky. If you're not familiar with him google his name, and then check out his book "Rules for Radicals". It's a point by point instruction manual for disrupting a society. Alinsky was the subject of her Master's thesis at Wellesley College.

I've followed the Clintons since the 80s. They are in this for power, nothing more, nothing less. Hillary used her position as Secretary of State to funnel $156 million into the Clinton Foundation. This isn't conspiracy whacko ****, it's fact. People paid the foundation money, and they got access to Clinton. Here's an example of their M.O. - a link to a NY Times article about Clinton facilitating sales of uranium to Russia in exchange for money - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us...m-company.html