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3 Squids 05-24-2016 08:11 PM

Hope I'm never in these shoes
 
YouTube suggested this for me for some reason haha. Hope I'm never that guy. Gets real sad at 1:55. RIP V. Looks like she was a nice boat. Can't tell if it is a 20 or 21. Did the 21 come with a closed transom?

https://youtu.be/y6qCtkRVVzo

SkunkBoat 05-24-2016 08:26 PM

Thats a Jersey boat. We all saw that and reinforced our bow eyes

3 Squids 05-24-2016 08:54 PM

I definitely need to inspect mine. It looks as if it's been repaired in the past, not too professionally I might add.

Cam 05-25-2016 06:01 AM

Is it just me, or does anyone else use a boat tie down strap when towing?? Mine goes straight across the top of the boat and ratchets down to secure boat to the trailer.

3 Squids 05-25-2016 07:11 AM

Oh heck yes. I transom strap mine religiously. Seems all of these folks didn't.

smokeonthewater 05-25-2016 08:13 AM

Notice that a bunch of those accidents were caused by fishtailing...
Poor trailer setup with too little tongue weight.

bradford 05-25-2016 10:21 AM

Roller trailers too.

step up here 05-25-2016 05:26 PM

Looks to me that he will get his transom repaired by the insurance carrier from his vehicle!!!!! :money:

Tunnaman88 05-25-2016 07:56 PM

my boat is on a roller trailer.. should i be nervous? what should i look for as far as safety goes? What should should i look for on the tongue? My v is on a single axle, karavan.. new rollers, springs & hubs .. tires

3 Squids 05-25-2016 08:29 PM

I think as long as you have proper tongue weight, your bow eye is in good shape and a transom strap you'd be fine. But freak, unforeseen things could happen, just gotta pray they don't happen to you.

Tunnaman88 05-26-2016 03:25 AM

...living on the Cape in mass, my travel time is limited to 15 minutes in either direction to hit water.. lol. I do not travel very fast. Besides, its strapped in for a roller coaster ride with bow straps, safety chains etc..

SkunkBoat 05-26-2016 06:17 AM

I always used the winch cable and safety chain on the bow eye and a strap over the stern. After seeing that V20 accident, as an added precaution, I started using the anchor chain thru the bow roller, shackled to the trailer...in case the bow eye fails.

I note about the strap over the stern...
when I had a 16' aluminum boat, I was making a tight turn and the trailer wheel rode up a very tall curb. I saw it and went REAL SLOW thinking it would be OK.
As the trailer straightened out of the turn it went up on one wheel and fell over.

Luckily I had the strap on. Boat stayed attached to trailer. We jumped out, , flipped her back up, threw the fishing rods back into the boat, secured the hitch and got back in the truck before the light turned green.

Point is... don't rely just on gravity. An accident, a bump, a swerve, a failure of the bow eye and the boat will move...

Destroyer 05-26-2016 09:26 AM

As a general rule of thumb, most manufacturers recommend 5 - 7% of the total weight of the boat, trailer and engine as the amount you should set as your tongue weight. Understand that this is a guide and can be offset by additional factors such as gear, fuel, ice, etc. Generally speaking though, it's always better to have a little too much tongue weight than too little. Too little tongue weight leads to swaying and fish-tailing at highway speeds. Too much and the tow vehicle can become difficult to steer. But it's always been my experience that fish-tailing at speed is far more dangerous.

Compliments of Boat US is this handy guide on how to determine your tongue weight, both by using a commercial scale or by doing it at home using a beam scale you can make. http://www.boatus.com/magazine/trail...weight-diy.asp

smokeonthewater 05-26-2016 11:44 AM

fwiw I NEVER set up any trailer with less than 10% tongue weight.

Destroyer 05-26-2016 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeonthewater (Post 227518)
fwiw I NEVER set up any trailer with less than 10% tongue weight.

Smoke, I'm sorta in the same boat (so to speak). My tongue weight is set for 10% DRY weight (no gear, fuel or ice) in my driveway. I know that after adding the fuel etc, it's going to change slightly, but not enough to effect my trailering. Plus I use 2 belly straps (one in the back, one over the bow just in front of the windshield. So I know I'm safe, and will have a good trip to the launch ramp and back.

macojoe 05-26-2016 06:22 PM

i have seen this on cape cod roads a few times! luckly not me. but i too strap the crap out of it, as far as tounge weight goes, i adjust just till i can't lift it and i have always been fine

3 Squids 05-26-2016 08:33 PM

I definitely have way too much tongue weight as I can't budge it when I try to lift it. And it squats my truck way more than any other trailer I've hooked to it. My Striper is way to tongue light though. I can lift the tongue with one finger. Luckily the ramp I use is just a couples miles down the road. However to move the axles will require buying all new spring hardware as I can tell these will snap. I'm trying to sell it so I'll let that be the next guys problem. Hopefully he will take care of it and not be one of these guys.

Destroyer 05-27-2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 3 Squids (Post 227521)
I definitely have way too much tongue weight as I can't budge it when I try to lift it. And it squats my truck way more than any other trailer I've hooked to it. My Striper is way to tongue light though. I can lift the tongue with one finger. Luckily the ramp I use is just a couples miles down the road. However to move the axles will require buying all new spring hardware as I can tell these will snap. I'm trying to sell it so I'll let that be the next guys problem. Hopefully he will take care of it and not be one of these guys.

Check your Striper trailer again. Most trailers (matter of fact, ALL boat trailers I've ever seen) have the axle assembly in a sort of trough with predrilled holes in the side of the main frame. To change the position of the wheels you simply unbolt the axle assembly, slide it to the position you want and rebolt it through one of those other sets of holes. Point is you shouldn't have to buy anything... springs, hangers, etc. in order to adjust the axle position. You might want to check again. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :head:

3 Squids 05-27-2016 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 227528)
Check your Striper trailer again. Most trailers (matter of fact, ALL boat trailers I've ever seen) have the axle assembly in a sort of trough with predrilled holes in the side of the main frame. To change the position of the wheels you simply unbolt the axle assembly, slide it to the position you want and rebolt it through one of those other sets of holes. Point is you shouldn't have to buy anything... springs, hangers, etc. in order to adjust the axle position. You might want to check again. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :head:

That's how the trailer my V is on is set up. However this one the spring hangers are U-bolted to the frame. A simple loosening of the U-bolts and sliding them back a few inches would be easy enough. But I seriously doubt the U-bolts will come free. I've been PB blasting them for a couple days so hopefully I'll get lucky. If I have trouble selling it I'll probably buy the 6 U bolts and take care of it myself. I read somewhere you get 10-15 lbs per inch of axle movement either way. I'm with MacoJoe though. I just do it til I can't lift it any more.

smokeonthewater 05-27-2016 03:34 PM

That's fine IF you can lift 300 lbs

3 Squids 05-27-2016 07:14 PM

Fortunately for me I'm young and dumb enough to lift 300lbs. I'm sure one day I'll regret it. I can lift it but usually that night my back reminds me why I shouldn't.

Troutkiller2006 05-27-2016 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3 Squids (Post 227534)
Fortunately for me I'm young and dumb enough to lift 300lbs. I'm sure one day I'll regret it. I can lift it but usually that night my back reminds me why I shouldn't.

you wont hurt yourself lifting 300 pounds. but because of all the heavy lifting, one day you will bend over to pick up a pencil and bam!

bradford 05-29-2016 11:18 AM

I used to pick up all sorts of big heavy crap. Know a few guys a few years older than me that used to do the same thing and their backs are all screwed up. I use engine hoists, jacks, lift gates, boat stands, and engine stands now. Looking for some A frame gantrys. Bought some second hand at garage sales, craigslist, etc. Something to be said for having the right tools and not killing yourself or damaging stuff.

randlemanboater 06-14-2016 06:33 AM

I use the winch strap, a chain, and a ratchet strap on the bow eye, and transom straps on the rear lifting eyes.

Straps on the back will also keep the boat from coming through the back window in a crash.

mawshj 06-14-2016 07:58 AM

mawshj
 
SLOWING DOWN and driving sensibly will help more than anything you can do

bradford 06-15-2016 09:02 AM

Helped out a guy yesterday that had his trailer hitch jump off the ball. He forgot to latch the coupler, thank God he had chains that held. Upon impact it broke the tongue jack off so he was on the side of my road with an under sized floor jack and a block of wood trying to get the tongue high enough to go on the back of his big fancy 70,000 dollar truck. The tongue weight was WAY too much, so I'm surprised it jumped off the ball really. I went to my house and got a good jack and we got him going. If the chains had not held it could have been a disaster. So make sure your safety chains are plenty big enough and you have some decent hooks that aren't gonna bend out straight in the event she breaks loose.

1224bret 06-15-2016 08:32 PM

Just looked at my bow eye last weekend... Went to remove it and the 34 year old piece of mild steel wellcraft used as a backing plate and it crumbled to dust when I tried to remove it. After removal found that the u bolt was bent and corroded also. So new project for the coming weekend I guess

SkunkBoat 06-15-2016 09:27 PM

I re-did mine with a big thick aluminum backing plate this spring.
It was not safe, really needed it.


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