New Old V20 In Michigan
 

Well here she is the new to me Wellcraft V20, looks like early 70's

What do you guys think the vintage is. Has a 165 Merc I/O and new fuel tank. So i got that going for me. She is a little ruff around the edges.
Floors seem solid there is no hatch for the fuel tank,

Transome sounds good with a mallet. will drill some holes for further inspection. Time for the power washer to meet old boat.

So now where do I go from here. has rebuilt lower unit & new bellows. Engine has some water in it. Should I
go thru the old 250 or find a good freshwater 165 round here? howdo you tell the engine year?. Is there a serial number directory? Anybody have a good 165?
Is that the best power plant for her? I want it to be a solid fishing boat to runaround on the great lakes.

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A i/o center console V20? Your kidding me right? That is a badass combo. Does the engine run? Look on the transom on the starboard side below the rubrail and there should be a hull identification number. Two of those numbers are the year. It will start with a 7. Yours is probably a 70s model it could be early 80s. What are your plans for the boat? Keep the motor or go to outboard? Welcome to wellcraftv20.com

Thanks Jason I was wondering it it came like this or was a a home-do job.

Looks like a tuna clipper with that high transom. The guys all said it was a MAKO. Title said it was a 20' 1972 Boston Whaler -

I had a couple twin NOVA'a & Love Wellcrafts. Best thing for it is tyo go thru the 165. or better yet anybody got a good one in the shed?

I think you are the first i/o center console V20 owner on here, at least that i know of. That is a cool looking rig.

I could not find one anywhere that is why I thought it was a Home Do Job.
So they actually made these things. I love the freeboard on her!
Time for the :part:To get started on a.:nic:

Repower options are rebuild the 165 or find a nice long block. anyone have any bright ideas? This is my first CC could not afford the 254 MAKO yet. LOL She looks to be pretty seaworthy good enuff for the Great Lakes.

Looks like a serious detailing and it will look good.

That's easy enough - one day and won't look like the same boat.

Best of luck with it.

The V20 is just as seaworthy as any Mako. I take my V out more than thirty miles in the Gulf. I wish I can help you with the engine. But I like outboards. All I can say is bracket and a 200 Mercury but then that would not be as cool as it now. What about a small block v8 under the console with a jackshaft?

Well when I was in the Keys all I saw were 25 MAKO's everywhere. back in the 90's. That was when Ihad my 25' Twin NOVA was into deep sea. Brought my 19' Wellcraft down from Michigan & ran all over the Keys one winter.


I was thinking the same thing SBC or a little diesel. My new fuel tank is under there. Deff dont want to pull it out if we dont need to. Nice stainless certified tank. I think the 165 is pretty dependable & want to keep it the way she is. seems like she is happy with the I/O Outdrive has already been done.

I saw this on ClassicMako site...are you sure its a V? The liner doesnt look right to me...early 70s liners were TOTALLY different and the deck where the rub rail is attactched at the bow doesnt look right either.

Dont get me wrong, it looks lik an awesome project...just have V-doubts.

Sure smarter people will chime in!

Oh and stay here...even if it isnt a V its closer than a Mako! AND we here want to help you spend all your $$$$ :beer:


BGreen will have you hanging a SevenMarine on there before you know it!!

Rite I was a little unsure too. Looked kinda like a Dusky but the front bow and the little chines are like a V with the wide front bow. Has small turn down on the rubrail. The inside looked like a MAKO inner tub.

I think it might be a Police boat from Bimini saw a similar one on the web.

So where are the experts around here? I guess I will have to go with V till we know more the hull looks like a V wonder if they took another CC & clipped the cabin off it.
And made some crazy lookin Dusky MAKO Whaler V carolina Allmand Skiff

Well anyway we can wait for the experts. The MAKO guys said it was a V20 so I am here for awhile. If you guys will have me = LOL :nut:

Lot of good info on here. I am sure will apply to the restoration Process.

I will check for better pictures.

I have had more Wellcrafts than any other boat so far. 3 and this one.
First center console.

Perfect I need a T-Top now...:beer: It feels like it is made of cement!

What is the HIN? (hull identification number)

It has to be a Wellcraft V20. If it is not, then It was pulled from a V20 mold and another sticker slapped on it. Right now I have two tabs open and toggling between the pics of your boat and my boat, I can spot no differences in the strakes aka "steps", the only difference I see is your hull does not have such a curve in the rubrail line about midways. I am going by the outside hull only, not the cap.

That is what I was going by the chines in the bow the Hull is a V for sure, seems like the top has a few differences in the rubrail & no distinct midway rise.

I agree hull ONLY looks EXACTLY like a V!

Inner liner is no way from 70s...My '74 V has a totally different liner from my '79 and neither one is close. Console different also....

My personal opinion is that I have never seen a Mako with the much flair in the bow. It has to be a v20. There are definitly some mods done to the stern, you can tell by the way the rubrail comes to an imediate stop at the transom and does not return to the transom also the back exterior " transom rail" looks like its been glassed on. And also look at the way the cap/liner does that offset at the transom.

Union laker, look real close at the transom and in key places in the back and see if you can see where she's been glassed and faired maybe some imperfections in the glass work will tell a story.

Welcome to the site!

Sure looks like a V-20 hull...and definately looks like a home made transom...to me anyway.

The 3 button trim switch is from the 70's.

Thanks everyone for all the welcomes & info.

When I saw Crackers Hull I knew I was home.
At least we found out that it is V20 Hull! I will try to get more inside picts of it.
Was there anyone that they sold the Hulls to for custom I/O Center Consoles?


I am having trouble with photobucket Firefox disabled all my add ons.

I have a bunch of other picts of the transom and floor layout.

Thats a V20!! But I think the transom has been replaced, there fore the VIN will be gone.
Got a lot of work to be done there but she should be great when done!! I had the 165 in my cuddy when I bought it, it was raw water cooled and it ran good the first few years but was rotting from the inside out! I had to replace the head (rot) exhaust riser and manifold (rot) after all that I said one more thing I am making it a Outboard, well it was running ruff and sounding weird, using oil but I was not going to look cause I knew I was going to try fixing it, so end of season I pulled the motor and converted to outboard with a bracket
The new used head I replaced it with rotted out fast and there was water getting in all over the place.
Good Luck with yours!! Get rid of all that plywood screwed to the floor and fix the right way also.

Thanks MJ

Those are just setting on there as hatches, want to replace it all with teak.
Been reading Krackers build & have some pretty good ideas' now.

Nice to know she is a V :news: what year do you think she is? Needs soft floor replaced around the bilge & back of the new tank. She has a nice big tank down in there. What was the 60's V's like think she is of that Vintage?

What keeps me confused about this boat is the flat lowprofile cap with inner liner with the rodboxes?? They went with the rod box style inner liner when the raised the floor correct? And when they raised the floor they designed it with that high curb style cap correct?

EXACTLY what I was saying Kracker. The rod holder "boxes" in either side arent correct either. My '79 has them, but the ends are angled, not a rectangle

Hull is either V or from same mold, but the liner is not correct, which is why I have doubts. Can you do a HIN search like a VIN for a car?

Like mj said that HIN# is gone. And so is mine due to transom repairs. Drag check out the trasnsition line that's bout 2 Or 3 inches below the cap and into the inner liner.

Ahhh yep, GOOD CATCH! that also is incorrect

But there has to be documentation for a HIN on registration, or title. My older V also has missing HIN on transom, but its on the title. How would you register/title it with no HIN at all?

She is dfinitely a v20 hull, she just been frankenstined a little just like mine. My boat 20 years from know guys are gonna be going "I know its a v20 hull, but that cap and gunwale supports were not factory on a V!!!!"

EXACTLY!! Im with yall, V20 hull with a moddin in different liner.

My buddy just listed a SWEET V20 CC that has been restored...fighting lady yellow...only problem is the time-bomb Ficht on the back. I'll post pics when I run up to look at it!

he stated the title says boston whaler and he has other stuff leading in a different direction. Chris Craft had a V20 look a like at one point also. But like kracker says someone been messing with it and who knows?

Just fix it and use it, she will be fine!

Yep, just pimp out ur B-20 and cruise in style!

Hey just got back in town went up to Caseville on Lake Huron. Nice up there the leaves are just starting to change now. Summer is over was 45 last nite.


The liner was what had me all over the map on her it was a freshwater boat from Lake Huron. registered as a whaler. could not find any Hull numbers might be a modified Whaler Liner? Or MAKO not sure.

I was looking at a Sea Drive turned out to be a Bracket :zip:

Now I know the difference. My buddie has a Black MAX for a couple grand. would look nice off an Armstrong Bracket. She will be a good solid TUNA clipper, where do I go to get some TUNA! :sly:

Or go troll off Naples on the rocks for some Black Grouper.

Really like the lines on her, the flat top has me baffled...:nut:
Did any have that type of console? Whoever built it made it pretty solid
looks like she could handle a 225 Black MAX. with my little 9.9 Merc 4 stroke kicker.

Now looking for a T-Top if anyone has one that will work I am on the way

to much weight and power for that boat!! you will find the back low in the water and scuppers under water i am sure.

So Union Laker what is your next step with the boat? Clean it and rebuild motor? You plan on painting the boat?

Congrats on your "new" boat.

If the engine uses a heat exchanger has good compression, I bet you will happy with that set-up.


BTW, don't most boats have a second HID number hidden somewhere? Like under the rub rail?

I would keep an eye out during your cleaning\ restoration...

Please keep pictures coming!

rkc

I know it is a little much atually it is a 200
Here is the link, still too heavy? I could fill the front bow with lead? 100lsds or so so she rides like a shamrock.


200 Black MAX
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/3260405002.html



135 Merc
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/3274583294.html

I would think the 135 is a little under powered.

Man been looking at Brackets!! Cheeper to buy a whole boat:cen:

Looking like she will stay a inline 6 I/O

would the 200 Merc. be too much too! what all do they weigh? compared to a 225 Merc.

Yes prolly keep the 165 in her to stay within budget.

Just got a roll of 6" 80 grit Norton and some flat board 180 grit. I pulled the console and still have to cut out the floor where it is soft.

As far as the hard Board floor hatch material still need to do some research. Was thinking Teak. Have to get rid of the press board hatch covers.
What is the best way to go KJ Think MJ used the board material.

Also

What is the best paint Imron, Pettit, InterLux? was thinking the Whaler blue Inner floors (It is titled as a 72 Whaler) or gray - beige Bed liner for the floor to keep her non slip. What are the best paint systems that you have found KJ?
Your gettin close on paint, have you made a decision yet? On your paint system have to catch up on your build been gone all weekend.

Keeping in mind it was a $500 initial investment for the boat. have another $3-4K to put into her Keep it @ the 5K range complete.


T-Top $1000
Engine overhaul $1000
Outdrive service & Prop $ 500
Fiberglass & materials $ 500
Primer, paint materials $ 500
Misc, Stainless parts $ 500

Might be able to trim some cost here & there. Time to hit CL........

Should I make a Build thread or Keep this one alive?

Outboard is kinda out of the question at this point, unless I can get a Bracket for $200:arrr:
Anyone have a bracket out there? Or do you guys just build them.
I can feel the itchin already ... Need some Tyveck outfits.
Glad the heat is around 60 degrees now. Have to get her ready for paint.
Before Indian summer, need 75 degrees to have the paint cure. Was 39 in the UP & frost advisory's already.

Will have her ready for a trip down south this winter :sun:

Thanks anyone know the hidden location? I think to stay real on this thing the 165 will be the power plant pulling it out as soon as I build a Aframe out of some 14' I Beams.

I have had trouble with photo bucket to get picts to load. Hope it works this week. will fully document the Restoration. This is my first CC she seems like a good start.

Thanks for the encouragement.

To go OB on a bracket you would need to get a 'floatation' bracket and not just a bracket that sets the engine back. This will help distribute the weight at rest and while up to speed....it actually acts like a hull extension to a point.

The link for craigslist doesnt work, but I have a late 80's 200 Black Max on a regular transom and best I have seen is 53mph on GPS

[QUOTE=draglink;194843]To go OB on a bracket you would need to get a 'floatation' bracket and not just a bracket that sets the engine back. This will help distribute the weight at rest and while up to speed....it actually acts like a hull extension to a point.

Well over the weekend I found a brand new engine & out drive. All connected to a 1972 20' Renke or something like that.

Turns out it has a new Mercuiser Longblock fresh installed with a rebuilt outdrive.
Also came with a Outdrive service manual. The guy was restoring the boat & never bought the seats.
She was run on the muffs only, never seen a lake = YET!