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RidgeRunner 09-29-2009 02:03 PM

Painting the Lower Unit
 
Sanded all the paint off the lower over the weekend. Purchased some Phantom Black Mercury Enamel in the spray bomb and a can of the Zinc Chromate primer in spray bomb. My thoughts were to rough up the entire lower with 90 grit, spray the primer on, sand again with 220 and apply the black. Any tips or tricks before I lay the paint on?

Blu_Lunch 09-29-2009 02:12 PM

I just redid the entire OB a few weeks ago, sanded with 220 and wiped clean with mineral spirits, shot the zinc primer then the Merc paint, came out nice, I wish you could buy the paint so it can be shot from a spray gun.........

THEFERMANATOR 09-29-2009 03:06 PM

I use those plastic cleaning wheels that are diamond embedded for cleaning the old paint off. They work great and last a long time. Also make sure and use a grease and wax remover after cleaning it before you apply the primer. I use PREP-ALL from AUTOZONE for cleaning. Apply your primer with light coats to avoid runs. I persoanlly let it dry for about 30 minutes to an hour and then begin laying down my color. I've never sanded the primer on the ones that I have done and haven't had any problems. Also I use engine enamel for the lower units as it is a tougher paint, but it will fade pretty fast in the sunlight.

RidgeRunner 09-29-2009 03:37 PM

Thanks for the replies. I like the idea of using the small round scotch brite pads for removing the paint. If it were anything but a complete half a$$ paint job in the first place it may have been necessary. I really like the idea of not having to sand after the primer. One less step will save some time.:beer:

RidgeRunner 09-30-2009 07:58 AM

Final coat didn't happen..
 
As one crital part was MIA.
:fight:
There will definitely be a sanding stage after the primer. Got ready to spray the final color, shook the can for a good two minutes, popped the top off the can and no nozzle to be found. A 30 minute search thru all my junk and not even one matching nozzle.
The can of primer says to recoat within 1 hour or wait a week?
Is this right? If so I guess I get to sit back and watch the paint dry.
Any opinions welcome.

tsubaki 09-30-2009 02:28 PM

Use a scuff pad to deglaze the primer and go from there.
You will tell real quick if there is any solvent problems between the primer and paint. It will crows foot or blister, chances are almost excellent no problems will occur.

RidgeRunner 09-30-2009 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsubaki (Post 148821)
Use a scuff pad to deglaze the primer and go from there.
You will tell real quick if there is any solvent problems between the primer and paint. It will crows foot or blister, chances are almost excellent no problems will occur.

What do you think about drying time for the primer before finish coat?

tsubaki 09-30-2009 05:01 PM

Usually, if you can put your hand on it and not have it stick to you it will work.
Normally either using a scuff pad or water sanding (or both) will let you sand between the suggested drying time.
If when sanding, if it sticks, becomes gummy, it's not cured enough to sand.
One thing about paints, primers, resins and epoxies is if it has a glaze or skim coat on it, it takes a little longer to cure out. Scratching it or sanding it increases the cure rate (makes it quicker).
The Zinc Chromate I've used usually is good after 24hrs to be sanded, 45 minutes or so for repaint. Keep in mind, we have high temps and humidity, which increases drying rate.

RidgeRunner 10-01-2009 07:04 AM

Results
 
Thanks again. I waited 48 hours on the zinc chromate primer, painted the lower last evening after a light sanding. The Mercury paint bomb worked without a problem, no solvent issues and only one run on the lower part of the mid, AKA operator error. I had just enough paint to cover the lower with two coats and the lower 5 inches of the mid with one and three quarter coats, thus the run. I will give it 48 hours and put it back together. Cross another one off the list...
:news:

Skools Out 10-01-2009 07:17 AM

here was when i painted the 225 for my 21 project

well here's my Johnson / Boater93's old motor NAKED ;D i've stripped it clean and now going to zinc primer the motor.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...s/MVC-012S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...s/MVC-013S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-009S-1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...s/MVC-008S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-007S-2.jpg

OK here's pics of the motor painted

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-009S-3.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-010S-3.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-011S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-012S-3.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-013S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-014S-3.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-015S-3.jpg

repaired the glass and finished painting the lower cowlings

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-001S-5.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-002S-5.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-003S-4.jpg

The Hood i plan to paint before i start

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor005.jpg

The paint i just got and colors i want to use

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor006.jpg

The Hood after sanding

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor007.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor008.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor009.jpg

The hood after 4 coats of White as my start base color will mask off and paint other colors tomorrow i hope.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor010.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor011.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor012.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor013.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor014.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor015.jpg


i painted the hood tonight remember this is all paint so I hope you think it's an OK job. it works for me just wish it were a little better but guess it will be fine. I bought a set of white Johnson word decals to put on the Hood and a set of 225 decals in Silver.

Painted Hood

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor016.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor017.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor018.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor019.jpg

Comparing hoods

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor020.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...21Motor021.jpg


well here's my hood finally done

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-160S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-161S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-162S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-163S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-164S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-165S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...1/MVC-166S.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-016S-4.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-015S-4.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-021S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-020S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-022S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-018S-4.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-019S-3.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-020S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-022S-2.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a46...MVC-014S-4.jpg

RidgeRunner 10-01-2009 09:07 AM

Very nice. That boat had ought to haul with the 225. I know boats but don't recognize that one. What is it? The hull looks a bit like a Flare but I suspect it is a ?????? I wish I could get into the habit of taking pictures.

Skools Out 10-01-2009 01:10 PM

Brand = Continental
Model = Monaco 21
Length = 21'


link to the rebuild page

Part 1

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/communit...ead.php?t=5978

Part 2

http://www.wellcraftv20.com/communit...ead.php?t=5461

RidgeRunner 10-01-2009 02:38 PM

Holy crap, you are the mack daddy project man. Skool, I had no idea, I am a Junior Member and have spent my fair share of time on a grinder but never once thought to pick up the camera. I kinda thought I was being original when I closed in the transom on my 20 and add a bracket only to find a dozen on here that did the same. When I was glassing I thought no one in their right mind would take the time to tear an old boat down to the stringers and start from scratch. That is what is cool about this site.
I found a thread where Ferm stuffed a Duramax in his Suburban, I guess gear heads will be gear heads. Modify or Die!!! Very cool.

Skools Out 10-02-2009 07:41 PM

thanks yeah the ol V20 is coimg soon currently rebuilding a 1995 22ft Sylvan Deck Boat.


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