The V 20 hits 50mph tops, but any faster ?
 

Fifty miles per hr is plenty of speed, but anyone ever find a way to run one of these much faster ? Say 60 mph ?

Come on you V20 " purists" ...........live a little !!

Let's wait to hear what Craigan's top speed will be with my old V (dually) and the 225 on that bracket... I bet she'll fly.

0-53
 

never 60 but on a smooth day out of the river i hit 53.3 on the gps !!!!!!! felt very fast and smooth !!!!!!! .....I only went straight , no turns !

I've had my HYDRA-SPORTS that fast with my 225(or at least that's what the cowling says:zip:), and it weighs about 800 pounds more in just hull weight. I believe 60 is possible, but the deep vee hull has drawbacks at those speeds. A deep vee hull will continue to climb up the faster you go so there is less boat in the water the faster you push her. The problem lies in the fact that at a certain speed there is so little of the boat hull in the water that she eventually becomes very unstable.

I have pushed the limit with my 225 Yamaha once or twice and it ran up to 54 mph, by gps, however it was not very reassuring the way the boat felt under me....It felt like at any minute it would lose control...much more stable around the 40 mph range.....:fam:

im sure a single 300x on a adj jackplate with it propped out for top end would run 60. strong engine. i think though that going over 65 with out any serious amount of hp would not be possible.

are all of you guys running outboards only? I havent got mine into the water yet but the engine is the merc 470 with 170 hp. Seems that motor would push a 20 footer a bit faster than 55.

I'll try.
 

I ain't affraid.
I have a 2.4L Merc 200 pushing 48mph on a bracket. The boat is heavy for a lot of speed but she feels great. Turns are not a problem at 48 she still has some edges in the water. In a few weeks my CC gets a 3.0L 250EFI. I won't know top end for a few weeks (break-in) but I think it might be close to 60. I did a similar swap on a 22 Pursuit Cuddy and went from 41 to 55mph. Doing it to cruise 40 at about 4000 rpm.
My 20 has some hook built into the chines, all of them probably do. I removed about 50% when the hull was flipped and spent countless hours blocking and sanding. I would guess the round keel at the stern will probably give a bit of chine walk at ??? speed. With no real pad to run on I don't really know. Maybe it will rise to the innermost chines and just fly.
These boats sold, virtually unchanged, for how many years? The reason is that they handle water better than most, everyone love the lines and they offer good versatility.IMO
A 300x:love:That would be cool. You could never be accused of underpowering. Boat Insurance? Call Lords of London...

i can promise you that 470 wont get you past 55. on radar or gps.

and about the v-20 chine walking, it would probably ride like a checkmate or a baja (if im thinking of the older 80's v hull ski boats) where was it feels like the front end is hanging out there and it will rock but not too bad. not if the weight dist is all messed up then who knows. maybe a up and a hard roll to the right.

Hope not. It would be a shame to come this far with this project to see it spread all over terrebonne bay. (Captain included) Baby steps.. but that image will be burned into my mind from here on. Thanks:beer:

With the old 3.7l(in newer condition) I was able to pull off 52mph on the gps,light load,top folded up,trimed out to the max,etc and it didn't really chime walk but there wasn't much of the boat in the water. Didn't really feel unsafe either just very light on an extremely calm day. With the new tricked out plant we're talking about speeds up to if not in excess of 60mph so we'll see what happens and I'll keep yall updated when it happens. I hope the old girl can handle it but if there are no more posts from me,well ya know what happened then. Bye,Bye Bobo!

When my dad bought my boat brand new right out of the box with the Yamaha 225 in 1989, I was pushin high 50's. Talkin' 57-58mph. According to the speedo. Don't think it ever hit the 60 mark. I have heard they called that model 225 "a cheater" motor because she was pushin more like 235 hps. I am sure one of you guys would know if this is true or if it was just a rumor. Wish I knew more about motors in 1999 when I traded the 225 in for the 200, would have never done it.

Boat use to rip. Now she is old and water logged but I still love her so much. Had a great day with my girls on the water Friday fishing and clamming. Full tank of gas four year old, two tear old, wife and me. With the '99 Yamaha 200 and the Bimini kite up and the fastest I could go with flat calm water was 47mph. Trimmed to the max and pushin only 5000 rpms (the highest I could get them). I think I have to much prop on her.

I have a 200HO E-tec on the back of mine--with 60 GA of fuel and my average load for fishing and 3 people--I have seen 53.6 on GPS--and she is feeling a bit light.

I had a 98 Yamaha 225 and it did not run this fast--not even close--upper 40's--and yes it was proped right.

I pull no punches and tell it like it is.

Repowered last weekend with the 250 EFI Merc. Break-in forthcoming... Can't wait to see what it does. Someone who I respect for knowing what fast really is told me mid 50's. I was hoping for more. Anybody want to take a Guess as to how fast. Maybe we could start a pool. The proceeds could go to charity. Previous best was 47.9 MPH with the old 200 carb 2.4L wound up to 6300 rpm.
The boat---

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That's impressive.. That HO must have some real juice. How many HP does that motor produce?

52.8 mph. Your boat looks awesome!

Thanks Nipper, lots of $$$ and time on this one.

I got you down for 52.8 MPH.

Anyone else?
Replies will be counted over the next week and I will send a buck per reply to Franco's Fundraiser up to $100. The winner will get either an Outback Steakhouse Gift Certificate for $50 bucks or they could plunge the same $50 back to Franco's cause.

55 mph

Hopefully it runs better than JACKMANS 225 HONDA. He only managed low 30's with his as the added transom weight made the boat run like crap.

I have you down for the low 30's.
Doubt it. The 225 Honda is still 100 lbs heavier dry and the Honda is not reknown for their blistering performance. A good running 150 2smoke would outdo the Honda.
What is the top end on the 235+ on the HydraSport?

I'm swinging a 15 1/2" prop, but I've hit 53 with 2 people and a half tank of fuel while sucking down close to 28 GPH. Once you port a big looper a little bit they can go through some fuel. I an't complain though as I can cruise it at 3800 running 21-23 knots burning roughly 10-11 GPH, not to mention the power that she has to get on plane. I'm sure I could get it to almost 55 with a better prop, but the HYDRA-SPORTS 2000CC was never meant to break 50, it has a hook in the transom that acts like trim tabs and it plants the bow around 45 hard and takes ALOT of engine trim to break it free.

It is for Franco's Fundraiser....
 

I hear you. I have seen a major increase in speed before with a engine swap similar to the one I have done here. But the hulls were different.
The 250 EFI has a lot more torque than the old 2.4. I suspect that you, of all people, know about torque.. The fuel burn on the EFI is 30 or 32GPH. ONE hour of WOT and turn back to the marina... LOL
Just for kicks and since this ain't going as well as planned I will kick you in for mid-30's and also 53MPH. If you win you have to take me to dinner with the Gift Card..

Folks it ain't going to cost you nothin to reply. I am kicking in the dough and a gift card or whatever.

MJ -- Bad idea?

I'm guessing 54 mph. I'm feelin lucky

Thanks for your cooperation..

So far we have 35,52.8,53,54 MPH

In the Guess the top end Contest. 20v CC 250EFI Merc on Bracket-How Fast? I'm kicking $100 to the fundraiser and $50 to the forum member closest to the actual MPH. If you don't reply you can't win.

I'm going to have to say 56mph, trimmed out balls to the wall.

I'll be the optimist and say 59, if you can't get it to run that fast, then let me drive :sly:

I was told by a trusted source(who knows) that the 200HO actual builds closer to 238hp. Does not make sense to me to sell as a 200--But I know that it was alot lighter than a 4 stroke.

And at that speed--personally--it is feeling a bit light.

It is real comfortable in the 40's--but over 50 and it is to light feeling.


I will through in 58.2:clap:

All I can say is...VIDEO!!...

I guess I'll go for 54-55 since this baby got 56. http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/1341039507.html Same basic hull as the V-20 and it's a CC, although that 300XP is pushing 300+HP to the prop easily.

Thanks for all the input. Going to the lake now for a marathon break-in session. Try to post a pic.

First trip to the water was a success. I had a few problems. Trim pump won't trim the motor under full throttle acceleration. Wires look suspect to me. But it is probably a check valve issue in the pump. Second problem was the paint job on the gearcase. All the paint was stripped off while underway. No signs of primer.
250 EFI motor ran great. The additional weight did not go without notice. I prefer the lighter 200 and the way the boat would sit without the extra weight. The boat will porpoise now with higher trim angles but seems to go away with a little tuck, used the trim tabs for the first time.
The boat planes at 3000 rpm without trim tabs and runs 24 mph, 34mph @ 4000 rpm , 44 mph @ 5000 rpm and I saw a brief max speed of 54.1 mph @ 6100 rpm. Only four hours run time with new rings I didn't want to push my luck.
Boat handled great, no noticable difference on plane and no problems with the extra speed. Obviously not enough prop but I have a good feel for what it is capable of now. 60mph ain't gonna happen.
I was turning a 14.25" x 19 pitch Quicksilver prop.
The bow isn't flying. I am going to try a prop with more cup and rake. Any suggestions?

I would be careful about going that route. More cup and rake will INCREASE your bow lift and make your porposing worse. I would try a 4 blade prop with moderate rake to it as that will help to lift the stern up some and help hold the bow down. Call Ken at PROP GODS and see what he says.

I am in the same situation with my set up. The evinrude stainless prop has a big cup and rake and gives to much bow lift for my liking. I am going to try a couple 4 blade props to see about picking up some stern lift.

my speeds--Just FYI

4000@37
4500@44
5300@53+

But I am swinging a 15 1/2 X 19 rebel stainless prop.

I will by the hub -prop set up so I can run several different props to see witch 4 blade is going to do what I want.

Thanks Ferm I saw the Prop Gods on Google. For $95/hr they come to my lake and the fun begins. Since I am running a few too many rpm now the 4-blade 19 might be perfect. I never had any porpoising at WOT only at lower rpm while cruising with too much positive trim. I was thinking that the bow is riding pretty flat at WOT.
This hull was never intended for this much speed. It isn't scary fast but it really isn't practical either. When I get to go fishing on the weekends, I don't get to choose what the weather is going to be. The extra speed could be used about zero percent of the time on my average outing. I like the 35mph cruise @ 4000 rpm. I understand the 4-blade kicks butt in mid-range and acceleration.

If you go to him he will cut you some slack on prop testing. I would try the boat out in a chop before you make any big changes though. A chop changes the way everything works. I know my engine is mounted too low on the transom for top end, but in a 2-3 chop it is just right as any higher and it would blow out constantly.

i would try a 21 Mirage plus, its probably one of the best all around props made. It doesn't work well on some of the higher strung 2 strokes, but on your 3.0L it should be fine. One of my friends is running a 19 Mirage on his 20 Grady with a 225 Yamaha 4 stroke, it runs better than all the other props we've tried. Look at the mercury "thunderbolt" its an alternative marketing brand of the Mirage, it doesn't have the deep ingaving on the side, and doesn't have the cavitation holes, but other wise(according to my prop guy), its the same blade design and surface area of the Mirage, and its much cheaper

I'm spinning a 17 pitch APOLLO large diameter which is the generic equivelant of the MIRAGE. It's a pretty good prop that has virtually NO slip to it. I get close to 2-6% prop slip when running it hard which is a pretty solid bite. Also a MIRAGE style blade will take about 2" less pitch than a smaller diamter will. I've hit 53 with mine turning in the 5800 range on my HYDRA with a REALLY light load, but 48-50 is pretty achieveable on a regular basis.

for a three blade, they are really efficeint, they give a bit better top end than a four blade with allmost the same cruise, hard to beat a four blade for midrange.

Great info. I definitely need to step up in pitch. It is on the limiter at 6100 rpm. I like the Marage on my Whaler it is highly polished. Do all Mirage propellers have the big diameter? Does polishing help or change anything?

The MIRAGE is a large diameter prop. There are 2 different styles of them though, the new ones with the XHS and the old ones without. The blades were changed some as well with the hub change. When you step up in diamter it will act like you went up in pitch. I went from a 15 pitch 14 5/8 diameter prop that woulkd turn up to around 6400 with a load in the boat to the 17 pitch 15 1/2" diamter that will barely hit 5400 fully loaded(5600-5800 light load). The mirage stylke blade is very efficient so it acts like an inch or 2 of itch just by going to it. I would try a 19 MIRAGE and see what it does, also you need to get somebody to help you check your engine height while running.