who'd a thunk it
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI

i get fussed all the time about watching fox. at least there's another one sided channel

Fox is on one side, and the rest are on the complete opposite side.

i knew that, at least here concrete evidence that msnbc is FOS.

this clip was carefully edited to exclude the mans face and hands.
the man carrying the weapons was black.

Black, white, green, purple..color no matter, but just how plain STUPID would somebody have to be?... :head: ...no matter like him or not, The President of The United States should never be allowed to be put at that kind of RISK...and somebody of any color that unstable should be hauled away to have a brain cavity check...HELLO-O!!

I COMPLETELY disagree with you reel. People like him are the LEAST of the presidents worries, they are simply trying relay a message that they feel is pertinent and being overlooked by the man in charge right now. The AR-15 was unloaded, but he did have a loaded clip in his backpocket. And the sidearm was loaded. There were also SEVERAL others around him that you didn't see that had firearms. I know many will disagree with how I feel, but people like these that are doing a peaceful display and excersing there rights are of no danger to the president. It's the ones that are armed that you can't see the firearm are the ones they should be concerned about.

Here's more details on the story from some of the people who were there.

http://www.arizonashooting.com/v3/vi...&sd=a&start=20

I completely agree w/your point re the greater threat, so why give the Secret Service another distraction...they take their jobs pretty seriously and having to even consider the threat potential of someone brazen enough to display loaded firearms at a public gathering w/POTUS requires taking measures to watch him while they could be watching for the real threat you mention...I own several firearms and am completely unwilling to give them or the ammunition needed to fire them up to anybody...but there is a time and place for everything and having a WING-NUT walking around w/an assault rifle, loaded or unloaded in a crowd of citizens...men, women and CHILDREN sends the wrong message...there are other ways to get the point across...diluting the resources of the agency charged w/protecting the president as a DUMB-@$$ way to make the point and weakens the credibility of all of us who want to keep our guns...but hey, that's JMHO...

While I understand his thinking I do not agree with doing what he and others did. I think the word is provocative. It is unnecassarily provocative.
Now if the issue was the national registration of firearms, the confiscation of firearms or the restricting of possession of firearms by the citizens then the message is right on and I will be standing right there with him.
Alas, i do believe it is something that is coming if these Pelosi Obama Shumer Reed types are allowed to go unchecked, or worse come 2010 re-elected to power in office. Absolute power is what these maniacs have right now and that is a very unhealthy state of affairs for our great country. That is why they have done the tragic things debt wise for our country with no debate, no concern about the opinions of the majority in this country, a la health care.
Whether you voted for him or not it is imperative that we all stand up to the tragic left swing in our government and put them on notice. I dont believe any reasonable man or woman can look at the agenda of these people in office and say that is the change they wanted. And no a comparison to mistakes and administrations of the past is not what I am talking about. I am talking about what has happened in the past seven months.
With the main concerns for us being the absolute maniacle race to insolvency we have had shoved down our throats. 2.5 trillion deficit this year, with a desire to increase that exponentially with the health care system yet to come among other agenda items that will come if that is passed in anything like its current form. The 60 trillion, actually over that number that we are facing in unfunded mandates we just will not be able to pay, period.
We need some grown ups to come into the room

I wanted to add that according to a report the man with the ar was not standing on a route that the potus was going to take or was ever in the vicinity of the potus. I feel that if the man wanted to hang an ar on his back and pack a pistol, what ever. just dont go near the potus, keeping the potus safe should be everyone's 1st priority. Would I have done it, hell no, the SS does not play around. Despite the event not having anything to do with gun rights at all, I'm glad that there was a pro-gun presence their. It's a good thing because once the whole health care reform debacle passes or sinks, capitol hill will start on their next agenda. That agenda might or might not be restricting gun ownership, but seeing people with guns in public and no one getting hurt should show the public that guns do not harm people by themselves. Giving the elected officials one less freedom to restrict.

I don't know CT...seeing somebody standing in public w/an AR strapped over his shoulder almost makes me WANT gun control...who knows this man?...what kind of head is he in?...did he just get back from 3 months training in a terrorist camp in Afghanistan?...no, I don't want people standin' around like that...looks like fuel to feed the fire of gun control to me...

When I see a policeman wearing a gun, I'm comfortable knowing he/she is trained in it's use and has the public's best interest in mind...I have NO such comfort level around armed civilians w/a point to make...like I said above...people who participate in these displays WRECK the credibility of more sensible people who are in favor of keeping their guns...they are handing the gun control proponents headlines to wave around and say I told you so...

yeah, I figured it was the anti gun nuts that put him up to it, more sensationalism to get the general public wound up. Jsut as the prices on AR's are coming down, the're back up thanks to this idiot. If any one wants to question gun rights, just take a look at the ships that have been taken over by pirates in the persian gulf, the law abiding people working on the boats are over thrown by a few that don't abide by the law. The workers on the ships are forbiden by the ports they enter to have fire arms on board, so a few guys in a skiff with a couple of AK's are able to hijack a ship with a multi million dollar cargo and hold it and the crew memebers for ransom. Whats the anti gun nuts have to say about it? " They( who ever the hell they are) should do something about it". Kind of the general consensis of the genral public today. Its allwasy somebody elses probelm to take care of.

I see what you are saying, I too would not want someone who has a mental issue or wants to do harm to others. But think about this, he's carrying open. People and the leo's now know he's armed. IMO a much better scenario than someone showing up hiding their weapon with bad intents.

I like how you mentioned about training comming into play. would you feel comfortable with someone standing by you who was a CCW liscense who was also armed?

Here is the man w/ the gun talking about it......he has some good points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-c4...eature=related

Everyone is a lot more polite and friendly when others may be packing heat. The AR-15 is not capable of select-fire and is not an assault weapon. I wish the black men that I've met with guns were as nice as that guy.

INTENT!!...ya just put your finger right on the point...and INTENT is the big UNKNOWN until it's too late...like the kids in Columbine and VA Tech...they saw men w/guns out in the open as you mentioned above...but then the fools started firing and murdering people...and as far as licensing goes, if I'm in a crowd and somebody's got a gun, how do I know he's licensed?...how do the police know until they approach and ask...and depending on how tightly he's wound, just the asking could set the wrong person off...licensed or not...

Here's the thing...our society has evolved into one where civilians don't normally carry weapons, concealed or not...it's UNUSUAL to see and most members of our society are uncomfortable and with good historical reason. If one finds in his life a need to carry a gun around in today's America, then maybe he should find another lifestyle...I've been in some pretty tough spots in my 57 years and NEVER wished later that I'd had a gun... even later glad I didn't...


And I'm not bangin' on anybody's RIGHT TO OWN OR CARRY here... one has the RIGHT to wake up tomorrow and decide to lead a gay lifestyle if one choses...I'm sayin' let's not ABUSE the right to own/carry and that guy showin' up at a public rally w/an assault-style weapon is discomforting to most normal Americans... the RIGHT and the right thing to do at the time are not always the same...and not everybody has the sense to tell the difference

If we wanna go back to the Wild West days where everybody carried, I'd RATHER we don't become that PARANOID, but hey... OK by me...but that's the point...EVERYBODY carried...it WAS the societal norm and there's a reason our culture left it behind...

Historically speaking, how many people open carry there firearms and then open fire on a crowd? Not very many, most of the time the ones who do this will conceal until the last second as they have something to hide. Those who have nothing to hide tend to openly display because they know they are in the right. And those people who open fire on crowds tend to do it ONLY when they know they have virtually no chance of fire being returned on them. The open display by law abiding citizens WILL deter the violence that many fear from people carrying in the open. Those who lay it all out tend to not be the problem, the problem cases come into play by those who hide it or are scared of it. It is proven that a well armed society deters gun violence. Our wonderful liberal media makes a big deal out of this yet in other countrys it is perfectly normal to see this and is expected. I know in SWEDEN many will open carry ACTUAL assault rifles as it is required of them when they join the guard over there that they are armed at all times. I know you will say that these are trained individuals, but that isn't the point. It's the fact that our society has been feminized to the point of fear is the way I see it. And a society in fear is an easy one to control.

I'll go put my armadillo hat back on now and be quiet.

right here youve made my point. when the law abiding citizens have no guns, they cannot defend them selves against those who choose to break the law. While the poor children and faculty were waiting patiently like good upstanding citizens for the police to go and save them, how many people were mowed down??

Back to the point, you would rather have some one stand next to you concealing their weapon than carrying their weapon open??

thats like i said about the pirates on the ships in the gulf, the law abiding crew on board the ships were easily taken hostage by the non law abiding pirates. I like Archie Bunkers stance on high jacking, when you board a plane, give every one a gun, then the hijackers don't have an advantage over the passengers. And no, I'm not serious that we should arm every one on an airplane, but it shows that once the advantage the "non law abiding" people have is taken away, then they tend not to take advantage of the law abiding people.

Speaking of Archie, here's his take on gun control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFWRPiNXOI

Ha ha ha...and the same Archie Bunker mentality flows today...from both sides, but seemingly mostly from...one side than the other...

yea right, I already said my piece about this fellow concerning it being provocative and not really appropriate due to the issue at hand. But that last comment deserves a response because I think you might be referring to the people on one side, the vast majority of Americans who believe in the Constitution of the United States and all of the amendments and the others frequently put in office by the other group who feel the Constitution is just a mere inconvienance to get around whenever they feel that government has desires to grow and cannot be restrained by anything as silly as that.
Now both sides have played fast and loose with issues in the past on particular things like pushing the envelope in regards to eavesdropping on those that mean us harm aka Al Queida scum, but even though I am uneasy with that it was something I believe had to be done having first hand knowledge of the laws pertaining to law enforcement. But even though I am a registered independent I will say thru out our history the republican party since the days of Lincoln have been the ones on the right side of every Constitutional issue that affects the American Citizen, and it has been the Democratic party who has been the big government adherent, has fought for everything including nationalizing retirements, creating huge government programs, attempting to stop the abolishment of slavery, stopping the 1960's march to equality for its citizens of all colors, establishing a giant welfare state to increase the power of its party to the detriment of the citizens and has been the main reason why we have over thirty million illegal criminals in our country right now.
So yea, I guess you could say that one group does seem a little over protective and sometimes over zealous in its response, but as an independent and watching the history unfold it is not actually being paranoid at all is it. This distrust of the left in this country and the people who run it.
Let me see, do I want a president who is a strong capitalist and free market type, who believes in God, our Constitution and the Liberty of all free men and the limitiation of a large Federal Government which our founders warned us about from day one, or do I go with a group of people that have sought to expand the federal government into a nanny state, intruding in the lives of every free man and woman, who has as one of its major behind the scenes benefactors being a third world billionaire named George Soros who has avowed to create a socialist world by defeating American independence and Constitution from within, whose policies have led us into a national debt that will in very short order devalue the dollar to third world status. Who feels that government should make all those important decisions for us like minor issues like our health care, whether or not it is legitament position to allow free men to have the weapons needed to prevent a government from ruling them, whether we stand as the most feared nation to have as an enemy thus protecting ourselves or being just another third world nation to vote at the UN inspite of what this nation has sacrificed to keep the whole freaking world out of the hands of socialist, communist and facist dictators and governments, inspite of the generosity of the Americans to feed the hungry , respond to every major disaster in the world with money, medical, and food and to never ever take over another nation while being more than capable of doing it.
No, I think I will stay with that "other group" mentioned

well said willy, and on a side note. why should we believe the dems anyway about anything. when they said that if they pass the porkulous bill they promised unemployment wouldnt go over 10%. Well look where it is now, over 10% is most spots. Looks like some people got hoodwinked.

thats because number one, the bill to which you referred has absolutely nothing to do with stimulating the economy, it was a 9000 ear mark democrat pork bill with a few turncoats like Snow from Maine and Senator Sh!t for Brains from PA voting for it to get a chunk of their own earmarks thrown in.
Number two, most of it has not been spent yet, especially the few items that will create some so called green projects.
Number three as of two months ago, the federal gov has to borrow .50 cents of every dollar to pay for the porkulus(stimulus) bill and the chinese are balking at loaning us money on the timetable that the annointed one and geitner want. There for we are in sort of a holding pattern on it.
I think we should add several more trillion to the deficit this year and give everyone everything free, h@ll lets go on a binge. spend it while you can, you know what I mean. What the h@ll. And while we are at it lets insure everyone who has snuck into the country, they are already collecting social security and medicare, lets go for it.
Of course my kids and yours, along with the next couple of generations will have to suffer for it. What do we care, hand me a beer, screw them

well said, how you think we'll pay the money back? major decrease in military spending?, higher taxes with bringing the cap gains tax to 30 plus percent? It is scary

Gettin' downright predictable...press button "A"...get response "B"...:laugh: