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Hard to argue with that.:clap:

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Out of the mouth of babes...God Bless those kids over seas and many thanks to them as well for all they have given to this coutry!

They need to post that on the national media, God bless him.

Have ya'll forgotten the reason we went to war over there? President Bush didn't say, "Ya know, the UN hasn't given us the approval yet, but gosh darn it we've got to liberate the people of Iraq."

It was to remove a supposed "immenent threat" to the United States. While I respect this kid's opinion and service to the country - as well as everyone's opinion on the site, his political schpeel [sp] makes him sound as if he were born yesterday IMO.

When we destroyed Iraq's infrastructure one could hardly argue that the Iraqi's suffered greatly after our initial invasion. Several lives and years later things are better but still no end in sight. Do we owe it to Iraq to rebuild what we destroyed - you bet. True, great sacrifices are being made and they are not in vein. The sacrifices we are making now are to rebuild what we destroyed based on shotty intelligence and a rush to judgement.

As a side note you won't see me on here slamming McCain or Palin - that's not my bag. Nope, I respect and admire both of them but they will not get my vote. It sickens me to see all of the political attacks, of which the majority comes from the Republican side. I think Obama is right, good ol swift boat politics at its finest. Republicans just keep on proving that over and over.

Sorry had to vent a little and I realize this won't make very popular in Republican V20 Land but what the hell.

The First Amendment rocks baby!

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Blue

Come to think of it this kid probably didn't even have his driver's license when we invaded Iraq so no one can blame him for not knowing how it all started.

Hey BR, I think this video is prudent for the IRAQ war issues. It was not just REPUBLICAN's calling for action. Even during slick WILLY's time actions were being urged, it wasn't until 9/11 that the president was given the go ahead. I do feel that the IRAQ war and the whole war on terrorism was approached in the wrong way, but i don't believe our liberal society would have allowed it to have been fought the way it should have. My biggest problem with the whole war over there is I feel we went in with a tank instead of a scalpel.

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

Right, there were democrats and republicans alike who bought in to the phony intelligence that invasion was the right thing to do. However these days most democrats acknowledge the mistake while republicans and Bush (especially) would never admit that the invasion was a mistake.

Yeah I read an article yesterday talking about a secret new tactic they are using in Iraq to kill al Queda. They wouldn't tell what it was but went as far as to say it was responsible for our current success over there. It said some day we will find out and be amazed and that al Queda is well aware of the tactic and pretty rattled by it. This may be they "scalpel" you are referring to Ferm! I can only imagine what it might be. Supermodels sporting tiny uzi's hidden in their vajayjay? Maybe. I would be amazed....and shocked :oh:

Well I could see the smoke from 9/11 on that clear day from the oceanfront in harvey cadars .....and also had a friend in tower one ...... that didnt make it out....so my opinion is we did the rite thing......

aw Hell, It Was Time The World Realized, Piss Us Off Pay The Consequences
For once all departments of the military and political, were in agreement!!

Whether it's a Democrat or a Republican that leads us into an unjust war, he points up the reason we should never follow either like sheep...nor should we confuse being an American with blindly following misguided politicians into wars that have nothing to do with being American or being FREE...Dying for a just cause like freedom is noble...dying over a global business deal is not...

Iraqi freedom is just a byproduct...

Slinger..I love ya man...but somebody PLEASE tell me what we solved about 911 by invading Iraq?...it was like havin' the dog bite you and turnin' around and kickin' the cat!?!?...

just keeps em lookin over there shoulder...

We killed 3,000 soldiers and dropped 4 billion to keep 'em lookin' over their shoulder?...:head:

I think a big part of that war was finishing what Bush Sr started. After desert storm, we should have made Kuwait the 51 state.

That's cool and all Phatdaddy but the invasion wasn't packaged that way. To put it like that kinda lends credence to the argument that Jr. had a personal agenda to finish what daddy started.

Well Blue...now that you mention it, prior to the invasion when he was drummin' up support, I watched him speaking one night when he said..."another good reason to get Saddam is because he tried to have my daddy killed"...sounds pretty personal to me...that's when all my antennas went up!!...prior to that, I thought we had something in W...he was elected president of a democracy, not handed the crown to a kingdom...I think he got confused along the way...:bsflag:he's FULL of it...

Blue, Oz I am not going into the whole thing again, we have had multi page posts on this before.
But I do want to say something here, if you truly believe the only reason we went into Iraq was a vendetta, or to make money on oil then I am afraid you have bought into the left wing agenda and inspite of what has been posted and talked about before it is unlikely anyone will change minds here.
Two quick things

1. we have not been struck for seven years, all of the sh!tbirds are doing everything they can to stop a fledgling democracy in Iraq, something that if succesful will destroy their vision of middle east and then world domination by the true beleivers of Allah. There leadership is hiding in caves and living like the insects they are. When they pop their slimy heads out of the holes American troops are blowing their heads clean off.
They are on the run and Iran, who is behind a major part of this dillusional fundamentalists agenda is right there next door and sweating what our next move will be.
2. there were people who make money off of strife in the world, there were fortunes made during our civil war, was that not an honorable war, do you believe that fortunes were made during WWII? of course, was that to say that it was not the right thing to do?
We all know the answers to those questions.
We had a tyranical despot that went thru over a dozen resolutions from the UN security council, we had intelligence from several countries besides our own that indicated that something needed to be done, if not now real soon.
Then bam our whole world was shaken, and these leaders including Hussein were dancing in the street, literally, on TV for the world to see.
We had an opportunity to go in, take him out and we also took out the Taliban in Afghanistan too, now instead of america waiting for the next bomb to go off at home, for the next wave of disaster we now had something we did not have before, a true battlefield where no towel wrapped sh!tbird would stand a chance against our troops.
There is a lot more strategy to what is happeneing here than what is being said for public consumption.
And to say that our troops are dying just because big oil wants more, or that GW wanted to revenge daddy is a severe underestimation of the capability of people with a lot more intel than we have and I believe a lack of understanding of what has been accomplished.
step back for a moment, forget the kooks and their conspiracy theories and the left wing media assault against a sitting president and the brave men who are fighting our war and ponder what has been done.
Though I am not happy with how some things were done, the strategy of it is brilliant, and our people at home here in the US are much safer, the world economy is much more stable and a major roadblock has been put up in the previously unchecked march of radicals.
JMHO

The world's economy may be better off, but last I checked, OURS is in the crapper...

War profiteering has existed forever and will continue til the last war...problem w/this one is it was started in order to profit by a country I always thought of as a democracy that should hold itself above such trickery...

No...I don't believe revenge was the only issue...of course not...but why did he say that?...can anybody tell me why the President of the United States stood there and said that?...:head:

I for one do not believe we are better off having fought the war in Iraq than had we not. The radical islamic factions hate us even more now, and, quite frankly, I am surprised we have not had more attacks since 9/11. In any event, may god bless our country and our brave troops, who are only following orders and doing incredible things.

Oz the whole worlds economy is suffering right now. Believe it or not our country is doing much better than all of europe and asia, the dollar has been gaining strenth. Is it all good, hell no but the economy is suffering here for two major reasons, the huge increases in cost of energy and the huge correction we are going thru in the housing market and the combination of greed and stupidity from mortgage bankers.
To say something like this war was started to make money is quite frankly a page out of the Pelosi Dean Feinstein play book and what was said to dimish this president, diminish our troops and to turn the people against our war effort for political gain.
And now that victory is in sight the same people want to forfeit.
If you think that the economy is bad, imagine what would have happened if Kerry had gotten in, the loss of life from further aggression, here HERE the cost of energy controlled by Iran, the mullahs.
Nipper you may be right, I do not have a crystal ball, but the aggressive pursuit of the scum trying to take over the world by controlling the flow of oil and the destruction of civilian life, the footprint of US troops in the middle east, the complete and rapid destruction of two of the most deadly and brutal regimes in the middle east has most certainly kept you and me and our families safer because our response was immediate and succesful against regimes that the middle east considered tough, undefeatable and protected by Allah.
Now they have to rethink that one because apparently Allah likes US Marines too.
As a matter of fact they also have to commit their recources now to preventing for the first time a democracy, of Muslims!! right smack dab in the middle of them.
If after you think about that, and you realize that our country has not been touched for GW's two terms and you can honestly say you don't believe we are safer because of what our brave troops have done there then I guess we will just have to agree to disagree

No, I don't think the only reason we went to war was revenge for sr, i think there were a lot of reasons, some good , some bad. after 9-11 everybody wanted somebody to pay for that. i can't believe after 7 years, they can't find the guy who masterminded & funded the attack. as far as the economy, i think lawyers & insurance companys are more of a drain on the working man than oil ceos. at least when i pay $4.00 a gallon, i can drive10 or 12 miles( i own a dodge) to a job to work & get paid. i just cut $4000 checks for health, car,& homeowner ins. & don't plan on using any one of them.

besides i'm from the wood stock generation

"Tax the rich
feed the poor,
till there is
no rich no more" Alvin Lee , Ten Years After...............

sounded like a good idea in the summer of '69

This explains alot about our current state of affairs, and many peoples mindset.

thats the irony of it ferm, it was ok in 69 when i was surfing up and down the coast & living in a van, now that i'm old and paying taxes, it ain't so good......
so you young guys, be careful what you wish for.

I may be a young-un, but anybody that knows me will tell you that I'm more like a 50+ year old guy. Most of my friends were my dad's age because people my age just didn't think or act like me. I personally feel that nobody in this world owes me ANYTHING, and that I'm the only one who can help me. I don't believe that the government should control society, or even have a strong influence upon it. I know that I cannot talk politics with my girlfriend because she always says that I am a cold callused monster. I know that my ideals are probably not the best, but they are how I feel.

I personally was really hoping for RON PAUL to have a dog in this fight for this election, he was the one canidate who shared many of my views. I don't feel we should be the worlds babysitter rendering aid every time something happens. I feel that our military should leave areas where we fought wars years back. The middle east is just a small portion of our troops and military spending. What about GERMANY, KOREA, or GRENADA? Not to mention the countless other areas we still have a military presence in? As for the whole middle east scenario. If CLINTON would have finished the job, we wouldn't have had to gone back in there again. CLINTON had intel and numerous oportunities to have stopped al quida years ago, yet he was to busy playing swallow the leader with MONICA.

Our nation has let itself be consumed by it's government, we simply went from having a monarchy overseas to one within our borders. Our government has been funding so many covert operations for decades now leading up to our current situation that it would make many sick beyond belief. But that is the hand that we dealt ourselves by rendering ourself's into sheeple and allowing a small group of people to control the masses. Obama is just the puppet to finish off there plans, but then again McCain isn't much better. I'll go back to my conspiracy theorist layer now.

I just got done talking to one of my co-workers that is doing a two year
stint in Germany.
He tells me that people inthis country should be careful what they are wishing for.
Germans pay approx 50% income tax, 19% sales tax on everything they purchase
and gas is $9.00 a gallon because of taxes, ALL TO PAY FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICAL CARE.
Just look at our neighbors in CANADA, they are having health care issues.
People are dying because they cannot get a quick appointment with their doctor.

"Tax the rich feed the poor."
Problem in our country is that the rich and the porr have the most say,
so the middle class pays for everything.

Pure Socialist, Pure communist societies would work,
except that people get in the way.