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Pipe_Dream 05-16-2022 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249878)
Life begins at conception ?

Yes. Follow the science.

https://acpeds.org/position-statemen...an-life-begins

Pipe_Dream 05-16-2022 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249856)
I’m PRO CHOICE .

You're pro-killing human fetuses in the womb. We get it.

Pipe_Dream 05-16-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249856)
Also notice that you don’t come out AGAINST inclusion of rape and incest in abortion laws, you instead call it “ reasonable provisions “ ….

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images...f6bf864abd.gif

bgreene 05-16-2022 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 249921)

WRONG …..pro choice is PRO CHOICE …
Nice spin as usual

Pipe_Dream 05-16-2022 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249878)
Life begins at conception ? A mass of cells with potential to form a human isn’t quite murdering babies .

Follow the science.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/pelo...bortion-wrong/

bgreene 05-16-2022 02:19 PM

Your “ science “ Pipe is NOT accurate, shows pic of later term fetus , and is from a political biased source - anti abortion .

The FACTS vs your link are quite different as this NON POLITICAL link explains.

And ….I believe few women want to go through an abortion, it’s about the choice needed as is current federal and constitutional law.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/do...n-at-20-weeks/

scook 05-16-2022 02:31 PM

Fact-check a non-political link? Of course you believe that. To quote you: hahaha

bgreene 05-16-2022 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249938)
Fact-check a non-political link? Of course you believe that. To quote you: hahaha

Yes indeed scook - I read Pipes link and it was both inaccurate and biased.
I’m not “ pro abortion “ ….I personally think it’s a sad and in many cases a very difficult decision BUT there are so many reasons that the law should remain as current - pro choice.

This is also how the majority of Americans feel.

scook 05-17-2022 01:51 AM

Everyone has a bias toward what they believe. Pipe’s source owns that they’re not in favor of abortion. Their science appears to be legitimate and much more current than that cited in your much older link. Given the speed with which science and medical technology is progressing, that’s quite relevant.

If polled, I’m confident that most, if not all of the fact check organization favor abortion. They don’t own their bias, but it comes through pretty clearly, e.g. one study author found it logical, based on nervous system development, that pain was felt, but said that wasn’t the thrust of his study - fact check used that statement to dismiss the idea.

The split between pro life and pro abortion is very close to half and half. Pro abortion has a couple of percentage points lead, but nowhere do I see it hitting 50%.

bgreene 05-17-2022 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249947)
Everyone has a bias toward what they believe. Pipe’s source owns that they’re not in favor of abortion. Their science appears to be legitimate and much more current than that cited in your much older link. Given the speed with which science and medical technology is progressing, that’s quite relevant.

If polled, I’m confident that most, if not all of the fact check organization favor abortion. They don’t own their bias, but it comes through pretty clearly, e.g. one study author found it logical, based on nervous system development, that pain was felt, but said that wasn’t the thrust of his study - fact check used that statement to dismiss the idea.

The split between pro life and pro abortion is very close to half and half. Pro abortion has a couple of percentage points lead, but nowhere do I see it hitting 50%.

Scook says “ nowhere does HE see it reaching 50 % ….WRONG .
OVER 50 % support Roe- Wade

Pipe_Dream 05-17-2022 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249934)
Your “ science “ Pipe is NOT accurate, shows pic of later term fetus , and is from a political biased source - anti abortion .

The FACTS vs your link are quite different as this NON POLITICAL link explains.

And ….I believe few women want to go through an abortion, it’s about the choice needed as is current federal and constitutional law.

https://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/do...n-at-20-weeks/

"Factcheck.org" non political? You can't possibly be serious.

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html

bgreene 05-17-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 249956)
"Factcheck.org" non political? You can't possibly be serious.

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html

Most all my posts serious pipe…..except when I suggest “ scookie have a cookie “ :)

bgreene 05-18-2022 08:05 AM

And of course the question of whether TRUMP paid for his own girlfriends ABORTIONS remains

Trump WAS reportedly PRO CHOICE until he decided to go Republican and run for office .

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-past-partners

Pipe_Dream 05-18-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 250021)
And of course the question of whether TRUMP paid for his own girlfriends ABORTIONS remains

Trump WAS reportedly PRO CHOICE until he decided to go Republican and run for office .

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-past-partners

:you:

Man, Trump is living rent free inside your head.

bgreene 05-18-2022 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 250023)
:you:

Man, Trump is living rent free inside your head.

At least I’m not fooled by his lies as you are .

bgreene 05-18-2022 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 250021)
And of course the question of whether TRUMP paid for his own girlfriends ABORTIONS remains

Trump WAS reportedly PRO CHOICE until he decided to go Republican and run for office .

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-past-partners

Yup …..Trumps got quite a history

Pipe_Dream 05-19-2022 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 250031)
At least I’m not fooled by his lies as you are .

What's that, CNN viewer?

bgreene 05-19-2022 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 250061)
What's that, CNN viewer?

When Trump was asked about abortions for his past girlfriends …..he dogged the question.
Google it . FACT.

Pipe_Dream 05-19-2022 12:30 PM

Wait, aren't you "pro-choice?"

bgreene 05-19-2022 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 250073)
Wait, aren't you "pro-choice?"

Wait for what ?
Trumps in favor of making abortion illegal - but when asked if he had involvement on any of his girlfriends abortions …..he dogged the question .

Keep playing your little word games pipe - it continues to diminish your virtue .

Pipe_Dream 05-19-2022 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 250077)
Wait for what ?
Trumps in favor of making abortion illegal - but when asked if he had involvement on any of his girlfriends abortions …..he dogged the question .

Keep playing your little word games pipe - it continues to diminish your virtue .

You do understand that reversing Roe v Wade will not make abortions illegal, don't you? Or was that just a silly word game?

bgreene 05-19-2022 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 250079)
You do understand that reversing Roe v Wade will not make abortions illegal, don't you? Or was that just a silly word game?

You’re WRONG as usual pipe …… Then the states can decide and 26 states will make it illegal and 17 likely for incest and rape too. Sick.
Wonder how many abortions trumps girlfriends had …….he dogged the question

scook 05-19-2022 08:19 PM

I think you mean he dodged the question, but whatever the answer is, it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

The Constitution leaves those decisions up to the states and if you are a supporter of the Constitution, you have to accept that.

bgreene 05-20-2022 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 250089)
I think you mean he dodged the question, but whatever the answer is, it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.

The Constitution leaves those decisions up to the states and if you are a supporter of the Constitution, you have to accept that.

Roe-Wade resulted in constitutional law

Pipe_Dream 05-20-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 250095)
Roe-Wade resulted in constitutional law

Supreme Court decisions can be overturned.

And yes, some states will restrict abortions and some will make them illegal if SCOTUS overturns Roe. Good for them.

bgreene 05-20-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 250104)
Supreme Court decisions can be overturned.

And yes, some states will restrict abortions and some will make them illegal if SCOTUS overturns Roe. Good for them.

Not what the MAJORITY of Americans want

scook 05-21-2022 01:30 AM

Try to pry the tightly sealed lid on your mind loose just enough to understand that it’s not the job of the court to reflect the majority opinion (though it’s doubtful that’s the case here). The legislative branch, signed by the chief executive create LAWS that are supposed to reflect the will of the people and the courts vet them against the Constitution if someone has a problem with them.

Destroyer 05-21-2022 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 250095)
Roe-Wade resulted in constitutional law

And THAT is precisely WHY it MUST be overturned! The Supreme Courts job is NOT to make constitutional law. Their job is just to adjudicate what is all ready there. It is Congress' job to MAKE law. Roe was wrong because they applied their own definition to what the Constitution DID NOT say. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the word abortion. Nowhere does the constitution give women the unrestricted right to have an abortion.

Given the strict upbringing of the framers of the Constitution and their religious backgrounds and beliefs, a woman having an abortion for convenience was unthinkable. I think they would have recoiled in horror and written specific laws forbidding it if they would have know that it would mean the mass murder of over 53,000,000 babies.

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