About your post about some of Ms Palin's alledged gaffs

I'm debating with myself as to whether or not to even answer that drivel about Ms. Palin. I mean, it's obvious that you copied/pasted it from some website..The writing style is spectaculary not yours. Some of the 'points" made are legitimate, others are just simply laughable, but in all cases are consistant with the far lefts desperate effort to make Ms Pailn look bad. Tell you what...let me think about it for a while and see if it even warrants a reply.

(And while I think about it, you should think about this.. Everyone makes gaffs...that doesn't make them less qualified to do thier job, or more qualified... it simply makes them human. President O in a national speach while reading from his teleprompter refered to some brave Navy Corpsmen. Except I guess no one told him that even though it's spelled corpsman, it's pronounced coreman. (He made that gaff twice in the same speach). In another speach he refered to the fact that he was going to campaign in all 57 states...and of course there are only 50 states in the US... (but there ARE 57 Islamic states) In an interview during the last presidential campaign, Obama mentioned to the interviewer that John McCain had not made any references to his muslem faith. (The interviewer had to correct him and remind him that he was Christian., whereupon he (Obama) corrected himself. Vice president Biden, in a speach recognised some person in the crowd and asked him to stand up and take a bow..oops... turns out the guy was sitting in a wheelchair. (It would be impossible to list here all the gaffs that Biden has made...he's legendary in Washington for making them....but the wheelchair one has always been one of my favoriites so I included it here). My point is that none of the examples I just made, nor any of the ones that you copied and pasted about Palin, disqualify any of these people from running or holding public office. They are simply gaffs..mispeaks said in the heat of the moment and have absolutely nothing do do with a persons qualifications or abilities. Judge a person by what they believe in, not by mistakes they make. The ONLY person in the world that never made a mistake was crucified on a cross about 2000 years ago. The rest of us are only human

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yes,I did find those quotes from her through a variety of sources.they are ALL OVER the internet and were found from many sources.
You said that Palin had been unfairly targeted by the liberal press.I've simply shown how she gave the press fuel for the fire through many of her own statements that weren't on track with accuracy.
Last week the President made a similar gaffe about business.people know that he meant that w/out infrastructure businesses might not have been able to make it.But,many have taken it and ran with it trying to make it appear as if he meant that business people didn't have a thing to do with them building thier businesses up.It is a part of the problem with the press today and it affects people from both partys.


I believe that the birth certificate was presented but like I've said,people will continue to say it's fake.

Several sources concerning the number of vacation days the President has taken in comparison to other Presidents.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20093801.html

http://news.yahoo.com/comparison-rec...160400657.html


http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/in...-time?blog=233


http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/pre...vacation-days/

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The story about Air Force one
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp


The story about the President missing Memorial Day
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/memorialday.asp



Some rumors about the President being A radical Muslim or radical Muslim debunked.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

So saying that there is no media bias against the President isn't true.It amazes me in this day of so many false rumors/stories on the internet that there are people who fail to take the time to look into the validity of those stories before believeing them as factual.It certainly makes learning about a political candidate that much more difficult.

Well, I'm still waiting for you to straighten it out, because you sure didn't with this post. No one is trying to put words in your mouth or twist your words. If anything I'm simply pointing out the inconsistancies. You say you haven't been lied to by anyone, which shows how uninformed you really are, because the mainstream media either lies or spins the truth to you EVERY day. Nor have I ever said you were stuipd. I've been very careful to always use the plural tense anytime I used the word. I have said that you've drunk the Kool-Ade several times, since that phrase simply means that you've believed lies and half-truths that someone else has put out there for you to believe. And I stand by that since it's obvious in your writings that you do believe them, even after you've been given proof they were lies.
I completely agree with you btw about news shows telling us their opinions. It's wrong and they shouldn't do it. There is a huge difference between reporting the news and spinning the news.
You're 53...I'm 68 Got you by 15 years more experience. :p
And yes, you should be able to form your own opinion. Problem is that when people are only given one side of a story the opinion they form is usually shaded towards that side.. and that's what I've been trying to point out to you..... that you've been lied to.

Couric admitted that she ambushed Palin several days later...that she was trying to get her to make a mistake. Palin said the following day in an interview that she was mad and wasn't going to answer the question about the magazine at all, and then realized the camers were rolling and just blurted out an answer without thinking. It was unfortunate, because it was exactly what the media was looking for and it became front page news....to this very day. It had absolutely nothing to do with her qualifications or her abilities, and yet it hurt her baddly. I mean, really, if you think about it...does it REALLY matter what magazine or paper she does or doesn't read?
We were talking about the media's attacks on Palin and her family during the presidential campaigning. Then you said "But,that's not something that happens exclusively to Republicans". And in that context, about the presidential election campaign, I said "Tell me of one, just one attack that the media did against Obama and his family". There was no twisting of your words.. I was simply trying to point out to you that with the lone exception of Fox, the media is overwhelmingly against Republicans and for the Democrats... to the point that they lie and make up things, just to shape bad opinions against whoever it is they are out to ruin. There was NO vetting of Obama during the campaign, NO digging into his past, NOTHING that could possibly harm him by the media. Against McCain and Palin however, the attacks were relentless...You yourself admitted that what they did to Palin and her family was wrong.
You said that you research candidates and asked me if I did the same. Of course I do, why the heck do you think that I've been spending so much time on these posts? Scheeeech!!
And no, I'm not going to be baited into some useless discussion about ALEx and what their mission is or isn't or who their top people are or aren't. If you would refer to some of our previous discussions about ALEC you'll see that we've had that discussion before (but not the part about who their leaders are, which is totally irrelevant) I sorry, but I don't agree with a lot of your thoughts about Public Unions. I think they are wrong. I think that anyone that works for the government should not be allowed to join a union. It's wrong for a group of people to be able to hold the public hostage with strikes or the threat of them, simply because they want something more. Understand I'm not saying that public employees aren't worth more pay, nor am I saying that i don't understand the situation. I just think the union part is wrong. (And don't forget that my own wife works for the government and I think it's wrong for her to be in a union also, even thought I see how they get stepped on). I truly don't know what the answer is, I just think it's wrong for ANY group to be able to hold the public hostage. Maybe some kind of lifetime contract is the answer, hell I don't know. I just know we cannot afford the largess that we've been doing for so long.

Here's why I thought my words were being twisted around :
"Like I said, you were lied to and you drank the kool-ade, like a lot of other people. You just admitted it."
I don't feel as if I was lied to.People may TRY to lie to whoever they want to but it's still an individuals choce as to what they believe.
The "alleged" gaffes by Palin aren't really alleged.she said those things and in the end they really didin't matter.But to me they showed that she either doesn't handle pressure well or that a college education doesn't automatically equal being smart.But what those statements did,in my instance, were to convince me that she wasn't a very good choice for VP.
I understand that 15 more years of life experience is invaluble.I have an older brother who's in his mid 60's(also a Nam vet who was w/ the Marines,Gold Co. from '69-'70) who believes that our President is doing a pretty good job considering what he was handed.I wish I could convince some of our young firefighters that not everything is learned from a book.I have almost 23 years on the job and as a union member.I realize that there are alot of people who have also "drank the kool-aid" presented by media sources like Fox news and some politicians that Public sector unions are the reason for the economic problems that some Governors are saying that we're experiencing.Here in Ohio it was proven to be a lie.Our governor said that passing his bill was essential to be able to balance his budget.well,his bill failed and he still balanced his budget.As time passes more and more of his lies are coming to light.Recently he announced that his "rainy day" fund had something like $450 million in it and that when he took office there was $.87. When the truth came out it was found that he had taken the profit money from our lottery which is earmarked to go to our schools just to put it in HIS fund.The voters agreed to the lottery only because the profits were supposed to fund the schools.
On ALEC,our governor has been a member of that organization since the Nixon years.MANY of our nations newly elected Governors are members of ALEC.Many of them introduced virtually the same types of anti-public sector union bills all at the same time.It wasn't simply a coincidence.It was,and it's easy to research,simply a part of ALEC and it's agenda.They also have implemented "jobs" programs in many of these same states too.Here in Ohio the JOBSOHIO program will have it's day in court because the Governor appointed an out of state person to head it up and is using tax dollars to fund it and that is against our states constitution.Indianas same program has been proven to be a fraud and is also probably headed to court.These same Governors are also pushing for "Right To Work" legislation in their states.Basically it's a law to further weaken unions and the actual result is that workers on the average make 6.5% less on wages.
This link shows their members,both individuals and businesses.MANY businesses have dropped out of the organization in recent months because they did not want to be associated with ALEC because of some of their actions in various states where politics are concerned.
The 2nd link is the ALEC site.I thought I'd include both to show both sides of the coin.
But there is no denying that this organization is the face of the Republic strategy for the next election.

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

http://www.alec.org/


"I think they are wrong. I think that anyone that works for the government should not be allowed to join a union. It's wrong for a group of people to be able to hold the public hostage with strikes or the threat of them, simply because they want something more."

That statement isn't factual where safety forces are concerned.In Ohio and many other states,safety forces cannot strike.Some people even beileve that we have the ability to determine our staffing levels.not true! many depts. have been operating at severely reduced staffing levels for many years now due to the economy.The Governors proposal here in Ohiowent as far as to eliminate our ability to bargain for safety equipment.Can you honestly imagine the outcome of politicians being allowed to say what we should have where safety equipment is concerned?

First I want to apoligize for starting this sheeeeet storm.I just thought it was a worthwile post.Second it's just my opinon no need to excpand on it . We need to stop voeting in the incombent on every level of goverment form the local dog catcher to the president no matter how good there ideas are.That way no ones BS policies can cause to much damage.

no need to apologize.Having a discussion that remains on an adult level is rare these days and that's how this one has been in my opinion.
Any of the people I talk with would always be more than welcome on my boat and day if they ever make it to Lake Erie!

People forget about the local level way too often. Charleston County has had more shady deals, under the table payoffs and plain miss use of public funds that have been swept under the rug that I can count. The county school board was up until recently an ongoing soap opera of who could spend the most money before it was spent on the kids or education. Several board members took a recruitment trip to Europe to find teachers to bring back to Charleston, they didn't find any, and until it hit the news that they were requesting credit cards in their name so they wouldn't have to use their own money for the next Europe vacation they wold have gotten away with another trip. We had a builder in Mt Pleasant make a commit about their mayor that basically said, he bought the mayors vote on his construction projects by making a campaign contribution and couldn't understand why the mayor didn't approve his latest project, just because the constituents didn't want it. I could go on and on on with more examples. Any of these people could have wound up in jail for some for the things they do, but most are appointments, not electable s, but they were put in place by electable s. They've all got contacts and connections that keep them in another playing field. I honestly don't think there is a person in public office or position that isn't playing some else s deal. Once they get in the game, they keep playing it till we(the tax payer) run out of money

The way we learn is through dialog and discussion. No need to apologise Lathehand. Instead you should be taking bows. :clap:

But if we just vote in new people all the time, they'll catch on to it and stack the field with the people they want...clones all. No, I think the proper solution would be to vote in people that are qualified to do the job, not because of their political party affilations, but because they have proven they are qualified. :head:

In New Jersey once a year the NJ League of Municipalities holds a "conference" (insert the word party) in Atlantic City for elected officials from EVERY town in New Jersey on how to better run local government, but in reality it's a 4 day party at taxpayer's expense. All the food, lodging, transportation, etc.is paid by the taxpayers. Most people don't even know it's happening. This will be the 97th year it's been held. :cen: And of course lets not forget about Pay to Play in NJ where if you don't make a contribution to your elected officials you don't have a chance in hell of being a successful bidder on any state contract. And they're so brazen about it they don't even deny it happens anymore. I see red every time I hear about this bullsh!t.:bat: