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bgreene 05-10-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249678)
You demonstrate your displeasure with being corrected very vigorously. I’m not raining down insults, I’m providing an honest evaluation of your avoidance and very unbalanced view of affairs. You are so extreme in your imbalance and so supportive of the unproductive division which is, in my opinion, very much driven by the left that I expressed my opinion that your BEHAVIOR is despicable.

I will correct my statement in this respect, Biden the Nazi, per se is an overstatement, but he is pursuing one policy that you attributed to Trump and claimed that it was part of his Nazification plan - the “truth commission”, and several others that were active in the Nazi program.

Scookie - you state your nasty opinion of me on nearly all of your posts.
Insults and denial ….your “ contribution “ .

Me…I’m sticking with posting FACTS and the TRUTH…….with occasional response to your nasty comments … Now go have a cookie….scookie.

scook 05-10-2022 01:25 PM

I don’t actually state any nasty opinions of you, I comment on you behavior. No one here, that I’m aware of, wants to have this kind of exchanges. You began the political friction with your, in most peoples’ opinion, strident and pretty obnoxious posts and then when challenged, maybe not so gently, ramped it up with more strident posts, progressing to gleefully posting ANYTHING negative you could dig up on Republicans or conservatives, much of which is highly suspect in the minds of most of the guys here.

It really appears that a major motivation of yours is simply to be antagonistic. It also appears that you don’t care much, if at all, about the very serious damage being done to our very great country by the highly polarizing behavior of the left. Some examples of that are: the thoroughly dishonest impeachment process, based on information fully known to be false and adding lies that there was hard evidence; officially attacking free speech with the “truth commission”; and the active support for the ongoing rioting, destruction of property and peoples’ livelihoods, defunding the police, resulting in a very significant increase in murders and injuries of police and very numerous murders of people of color.

You express legitimate concerns about Trump and the risks of an ego that large occupying the presidency. It’s the opinion of most of the others here that your concern is extreme, beyond anything that’s at all likely to occur under your narrative, and that the current administration is extremely bad for the country and world in its own, different way.

Does any of this make sense to you?

bgreene 05-10-2022 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249692)
I don’t actually state any nasty opinions of you, I comment on you behavior. No one here, that I’m aware of, wants to have this kind of exchanges. You began the political friction with your, in most peoples’ opinion, strident and pretty obnoxious posts and then when challenged, maybe not so gently, ramped it up with more strident posts, progressing to gleefully posting ANYTHING negative you could dig up on Republicans or conservatives, much of which is highly suspect in the minds of most of the guys here.

It really appears that a major motivation of yours is simply to be antagonistic. It also appears that you don’t care much, if at all, about the very serious damage being done to our very great country by the highly polarizing behavior of the left. Some examples of that are: the thoroughly dishonest impeachment process, based on information fully known to be false and adding lies that there was hard evidence; officially attacking free speech with the “truth commission”; and the active support for the ongoing rioting, destruction of property and peoples’ livelihoods, defunding the police, resulting in a very significant increase in murders and injuries of police and very numerous murders of people of color.

You express legitimate concerns about Trump and the risks of an ego that large occupying the presidency. It’s the opinion of most of the others here that your concern is extreme, beyond anything that’s at all likely to occur under your narrative, and that the current administration is extremely bad for the country and world in its own, different way.

Does any of this make sense to you?

FACTS and the TRUTH make sense to me scook - not your opinions about me or about my motivation.
Facts ….from who’s posted vulgar, cursing rants at me, to your near constant belittling most everything about me and what I post.
But that’s how you and other roll, not how I roll.
And as you should have noticed by now, does not affect my continued posting facts.

scook 05-10-2022 04:25 PM

Well, it doesn’t affect your continuous posting but you’re alone here thinking that you primarily post facts and consistent in not responding to the most thoughtful queries of you. Unfortunately, it is exactly how you roll.

bgreene 05-10-2022 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249698)
Well, it doesn’t affect your continuous posting but you’re alone here thinking that you primarily post facts and consistent in not responding to the most thoughtful queries of you. Unfortunately, it is exactly how you roll.

Scook:
I’m not interested in popularity on this site.
I do not seek the “ support” of others here .
This is the political forum and I post facts and the truth…..not conspiracy theories .

scook 05-11-2022 12:45 AM

The FACT is that many of your “facts” are suspect and some are just plain lies from your trusted by you, but proven lying sources, and you do post conspiracy theories, the chiefest of which is your Trump as Nazi scenario.

Your incessant repeating of your favorite lines doesn’t make them any truer than when they were false the first time you said them.

bgreene 05-11-2022 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249706)
The FACT is that many of your “facts” are suspect and some are just plain lies from your trusted by you, but proven lying sources, and you do post conspiracy theories, the chiefest of which is your Trump as Nazi scenario.

Your incessant repeating of your favorite lines doesn’t make them any truer than when they were false the first time you said them.

Well that’s your OPINION, and as for the parallel of APPROACH Trump uses …..mirroring Hilters initial approach, this is true also:
1. He identifies a so called enemy and continues a lie
2. He then attaches nationalistic pride to stir the people
3. He tries to insert loyalists to key positions until power gained to assert absolute power.
I did not refer to Trump as a Nazi so try being accurate .

Next ……just because you label information as “ fake news” does not make it so.
Trump started that claim of labeling anything unflattering as “ fake” which his followers embrace.

scook 05-11-2022 08:49 AM

1. Your #1 is a chapter from the democrat playbook - it’s pretty obvious that there were plenty of actual enemies, e.g. the FBI, lying congressional democrats pursuing every imaginable fraudulent “investigation”, Clinton’s stirring up their fake document, CNN, etc.

2. After Obama apologizing for America’s greatness all over the world, a little America first was appropriate. If you recall, when attacked by some dishonest partisan reporter on the subject, he said that of course he was “America first” and any country’s leader who didn’t put their country first shouldn’t have the job.

3. All competent leaders/executives place their people in positions where loyalty is important. Remember when he kept some Obama people in the WhiteHouse and they were actively undermining his policies, lying and leaking information? Gaining absolute power? There’s your #1 conspiracy theory again. It’s pretty appropriate for someone under the level of attack he constantly lived with to try to consolidate power, in an effort to get things done. Your left wing politicians certainly do that.

You did make clear that you viewed him as a Hitler-like actor - my shortening it to that phrase is not inaccurate or misleading.

My giving clear, undeniable proof that your news sources are lying DOES make “fake news” an honest label and he called the plethora of lies and misinformation the likes of CNN, NYT, etc. tried to trowel onto him “fake news” because that’s exactly what it was. You couldn’t have watched his news conferences and the wildly dishonest questions the far left reporters asked and not be aware of that.

Your entire post is just more of your extreme, biased narrative.

bgreene 05-11-2022 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249711)
1. Your #1 is a chapter from the democrat playbook - it’s pretty obvious that there were plenty of actual enemies, e.g. the FBI, lying congressional democrats pursuing every imaginable fraudulent “investigation”, Clinton’s stirring up their fake document, CNN, etc.

2. After Obama apologizing for America’s greatness all over the world, a little America first was appropriate. If you recall, when attacked by some dishonest partisan reporter on the subject, he said that of course he was “America first” and any country’s leader who didn’t put their country first shouldn’t have the job.

3. All competent leaders/executives place their people in positions where loyalty is important. Remember when he kept some Obama people in the WhiteHouse and they were actively undermining his policies, lying and leaking information? Gaining absolute power? There’s your #1 conspiracy theory again. It’s pretty appropriate for someone under the level of attack he constantly lived with to try to consolidate power, in an effort to get things done. Your left wing politicians certainly do that.

You did make clear that you viewed him as a Hitler-like actor - my shortening it to that phrase is not inaccurate or misleading.

My giving clear, undeniable proof that your news sources are lying DOES make “fake news” an honest label and he called the plethora of lies and misinformation the likes of CNN, NYT, etc. tried to trowel onto him “fake news” because that’s exactly what it was. You couldn’t have watched his news conferences and the wildly dishonest questions the far left reporters asked and not be aware of that.

Your entire post is just more of your extreme, biased narrative.

Masterpiece of nonsense.
You sure post a LOT for a guy who claims “ too busy doing real work”, bored with my posts , and done arguing.
All this youve posted - FACT.

scook 05-11-2022 12:31 PM

If it’s a masterpiece, it’s one that very accurately debunks your previous post in its entirety, just a factual analysis, without insults.

Off to do real work.

bgreene 05-11-2022 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249717)
If it’s a masterpiece, it’s one that very accurately debunks your previous post in its entirety, just a factual analysis, without insults.

Off to do real work.

Masterpiece all right - of nonsense.

McCarthy lied , got caught , but that’s the Republican way now .
Lie - get caught, deny .

scook 05-11-2022 11:54 PM

There you go again. You posted several comments, I debunked all of them and your reply completely ignores my accurate response that showed your points to be nonsense.

bgreene 05-12-2022 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249735)
There you go again. You posted several comments, I debunked all of them and your reply completely ignores my accurate response that showed your points to be nonsense.

Oh you “ debunked “ McCarthys lie hu.
Blatant lie, caught on tape, but you debunked it .
Wow you’re a magician!!!

scook 05-12-2022 09:58 AM

No, and your transparent, fake misunderstanding/misquoting of what I said is confirming your dishonesty. I debunked YOUR nonsense.

No more time to deal with your nonsense - off to do real work.

bgreene 05-12-2022 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249747)
No, and your transparent, fake misunderstanding/misquoting of what I said is confirming your dishonesty. I debunked YOUR nonsense.

No more time to deal with your nonsense - off to do real work.

This threads McCarthys lie - and him getting caught.
No excuses, no yeh but etc., he lied and got caught .

No more time to post Scookie ? Hahahah you’ll be back as always !!!!

Destroyer 05-12-2022 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249748)
This threads McCarthys lie - and him getting caught.
No excuses, no yeh but etc., he lied and got caught .

No more time to post Scookie ? Hahahah you’ll be back as always !!!!

1) Please stop with the Scookie personal insult.

2) Scook never said he was leaving, just that he had work to do. I'm sure we can expect to hear more from him in the near future. I look forward to more of his insight.

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bgreene 05-13-2022 02:35 AM

McCarthys very straight forward LIE - caught on tape / that you trump lovers deny.

This is the future of America - it’s already here - with Trumps election LIE .

scook 05-13-2022 06:36 AM

As you say - WRONG, at least as it applies to Republicans.

First, I haven’t noticed anyone here denying it. Of course, no one is likely to believe anything you post without verification from a credible source, which you rarely provide. I’m not going to waste my time verifying something this inconsequential when democrats have firmly established scurrilous, destructive lying as how it’s been and will likely continue “in America”.

The big lie here is you saying that “Trump lovers” deny it, and that’s YOUR lie.

And to the most incessant claim you make, proclaiming something you desperately want to believe, but don’t know as fact, we’ll see what light the 2000 Mules documentary sheds on the election fraud. I’m willing to wait and evaluate the evidence it presents. It is pretty strange that, if I hear correctly, Trump got more votes than any presidential candidate in history and was yet beaten by millions of votes by Biden for whom there there was little enthusiasm, even among democrats. It may well be that the big lie is the left claiming that it’s Trump’s big lie.

You will doubtless continue or even heighten your biased demagoguery while we more rational people are content to look at evidence gathered in what appears to be a thorough and honest investigation. From what I’ve heard about it so far, this private investigation did nothing that’s not WELL within the capabilities of the FBI, but they weren’t interested in digging for the truth, certainly not after participating in the “worst threat to our democracy” in history - the fraudulent impeachment of a sitting president.

Destroyer 05-13-2022 10:16 AM

Here is a link to the 2000 mules documentary. You can watch it free on YouTube now after registering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04c-zQRVNU

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bgreene 05-13-2022 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249779)
As you say - WRONG, at least as it applies to Republicans.

First, I haven’t noticed anyone here denying it. Of course, no one is likely to believe anything you post without verification from a credible source, which you rarely provide. I’m not going to waste my time verifying something this inconsequential when democrats have firmly established scurrilous, destructive lying as how it’s been and will likely continue “in America”.

The big lie here is you saying that “Trump lovers” deny it, and that’s YOUR lie.

And to the most incessant claim you make, proclaiming something you desperately want to believe, but don’t know as fact, we’ll see what light the 2000 Mules documentary sheds on the election fraud. I’m willing to wait and evaluate the evidence it presents. It is pretty strange that, if I hear correctly, Trump got more votes than any presidential candidate in history and was yet beaten by millions of votes by Biden for whom there there was little enthusiasm, even among democrats. It may well be that the big lie is the left claiming that it’s Trump’s big lie.

You will doubtless continue or even heighten your biased demagoguery while we more rational people are content to look at evidence gathered in what appears to be a thorough and honest investigation. From what I’ve heard about it so far, this private investigation did nothing that’s not WELL within the capabilities of the FBI, but they weren’t interested in digging for the truth, certainly not after participating in the “worst threat to our democracy” in history - the fraudulent impeachment of a sitting president.

All your work furiously posting excuses ….
McCarthys very straight forward LIE - caught on tape / that you trump lovers deny.
McCarthy said ….” NYTimes report is a lie - I never talked about suggesting trump resign “
NYTimes then played McCarthys recorded tape saying that exact thing, caught in his lie.

This is the future of America - it’s already here - with Trumps election LIE

scook 05-13-2022 07:24 PM

With this post, you have become a certified liar. Neither I, nor anyone else that I've noticed has "denied" the McCarthy situation, yet you continue to LIE that we have.

If you're not aware that the democrats have established themselves as pathological, scurrilous, destructive, criminal liars, in the extreme, after witnessing their behavior attacking Trump before and during his presidency, you are not paying attention.

One inconsequential lie, which I'm not remotely interested in verifying wouldn't establish anything, but you can't seem to stop pumping it out.

Your disrespect for the site and those who are honest and thoughtful in their replies to your posts has certainly reached a point where your welcome here is in question.

bgreene 05-13-2022 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249829)
With this post, you have become a certified liar. Neither I, nor anyone else that I've noticed has "denied" the McCarthy situation, yet you continue to LIE that we have.

If you're not aware that the democrats have established themselves as pathological, scurrilous, destructive, criminal liars, in the extreme, after witnessing their behavior attacking Trump before and during his presidency, you are not paying attention.

One inconsequential lie, which I'm not remotely interested in verifying wouldn't establish anything, but you can't seem to stop pumping it out.

Your disrespect for the site and those who are honest and thoughtful in their replies to your posts has certainly reached a point where your welcome here is in question.

Masterpiece of bitterness and anger.
Meanwhile - McCarthy lied and got caught . Just accept this fact .

Destroyer 05-13-2022 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249833)
Masterpiece of bitterness and anger.
Meanwhile - McCarthy lied and got caught . Just accept this fact .

Yep, he did. We've admitted as much. Also pointed out that it proves nothing. It's a non-starter. So he lied. So what? One lie, compared to the whoppers that the Dems have and continue to tell is like a drop of water in the ocean. Not really important.

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scook 05-14-2022 12:50 AM

No bitterness or anger, and what I have accepted is that you appear unable to control your absolute BS and answer anyone directly and honestly. All you seem capable of is spewing your ego stroking disrespectful nonsense.

Intellectual honesty is a concept completely foreign to you almost 100% of the time.

Now that Destroyer has acknowledged that McCarthy lied, obviously having verified it independently of your claim, I’ll acknowledge it as well. He is a trustworthy intellectually honest man.

I’ll also repeat that it is a lie that has no significant consequence, so is of no interest to me. He’ll obviously pay some kind of price for it, but it in no way affects any national interest, unlike the lies leading to the fake Russian collusion, hugely expensive, completely dishonest “investigation” and impeachment trial, or even a very recent one where the Whitehouse tweeted, among other lies, that when Biden took office there was no vaccine available. Of course at the time Trump’s near miraculous speed, causing more than one vaccine to be produced couldn’t be accepted, so the democrats lied and were certainly responsible for deaths, saying the ”Trump” vaccine was unsafe. This was, of course a lie for political gain and many of their slavish followers took it to heart, clearly causing the deaths of many who refused the vaccine on the lying word of Biden and his despicable crew.

You really should pay some attention to the huge lies of the democrats that have real consequences.

bgreene 05-16-2022 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249846)
No bitterness or anger, and what I have accepted is that you appear unable to control your absolute BS and answer anyone directly and honestly. All you seem capable of is spewing your ego stroking disrespectful nonsense.

Intellectual honesty is a concept completely foreign to you almost 100% of the time.

Now that Destroyer has acknowledged that McCarthy lied, obviously having verified it independently of your claim, I’ll acknowledge it as well. He is a trustworthy intellectually honest man.

I’ll also repeat that it is a lie that has no significant consequence, so is of no interest to me. He’ll obviously pay some kind of price for it, but it in no way affects any national interest, unlike the lies leading to the fake Russian collusion, hugely expensive, completely dishonest “investigation” and impeachment trial, or even a very recent one where the Whitehouse tweeted, among other lies, that when Biden took office there was no vaccine available. Of course at the time Trump’s near miraculous speed, causing more than one vaccine to be produced couldn’t be accepted, so the democrats lied and were certainly responsible for deaths, saying the ”Trump” vaccine was unsafe. This was, of course a lie for political gain and many of their slavish followers took it to heart, clearly causing the deaths of many who refused the vaccine on the lying word of Biden and his despicable crew.

You really should pay some attention to the huge lies of the democrats that have real consequences.

So after denying MCarthys lie, now scook accepts the lie because other trump lover does too.
But scook - FACTS and the TRUTH is not based on “ who agrees” it simply is the TRUTH.

You people that refuse to FACT CHECK will bring down our democracy .

And also ……your post above is full of personal insults .
I could do likewise , but I’m the better man- so go have a cookie - scookie

scook 05-16-2022 10:05 AM

So McCarthy said he didn’t say something that he said and he’s a liar. You say I did something that I didn’t do and you’re a liar. Just applying your own accurate standard to you. You know full well that I NEVER denied the McCarthy lie, yet you continually LIE that I and others did - how does that not make you a serial liar? That’s not a personal insult, it’s a plain, simple observation of your behavior.

Verifying whether something is true or not very much depends on credible sources. You are not a credible source, Destroyer is.

I do factcheck things that I believe to be consequential. To repeat, again, whether McCarthy lied about something he said, which is only important to you because you believe it would support your extreme hatred of Trump isn’t consequential.

As for personal insults, my post included accurate comments about your deflection, disingenuousness and bias, if they’re insulting, some self analysis is in order. In that connection, your “better man” claim is further evidence that self reflection is in order - it’s obnoxious, arrogant and far from the truth.

bgreene 05-16-2022 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249922)
So McCarthy said he didn’t say something that he said and he’s a liar. You say I did something that I didn’t do and you’re a liar. Just applying your own accurate standard to you. You know full well that I NEVER denied the McCarthy lie, yet you continually LIE that I and others did - how does that not make you a serial liar? That’s not a personal insult, it’s a plain, simple observation of your behavior.

Verifying whether something is true or not very much depends on credible sources. You are not a credible source, Destroyer is.

I do factcheck things that I believe to be consequential. To repeat, again, whether McCarthy lied about something he said, which is only important to you because you believe it would support your extreme hatred of Trump isn’t consequential.

As for personal insults, my post included accurate comments about your deflection, disingenuousness and bias, if they’re insulting, some self analysis is in order. In that connection, your “better man” claim is further evidence that self reflection is in order - it’s obnoxious, arrogant and far from the truth.

BIG, HUGE boring and redundant replies from scook ……filled with “ yeh but”, excuses, spin attempts , back peddling, and more insults.

Me…..I stick with nice clean FACTS and the TRUTH.
It’s easy.

scook 05-17-2022 02:21 AM

You are the undisputed king of boring, redundant replies, and the rest of your comments are completely false.

bgreene 05-17-2022 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 249951)
You are the undisputed king of boring, redundant replies, and the rest of your comments are completely false.

False you say ?
So you say McCarthy didn’t lie ?
This should be good - pass the popcorn, scook’s going to reply with “ bla, bla, bla excuses and denial !!!

scook 05-18-2022 12:33 AM

Here’s a short one - your reply is a blatant, knowing lie. Either you can’t read English or you know that I didn’t say anything like that. In the minds of honest, rational people, that makes you a liar.

bgreene 05-18-2022 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by scook (Post 250006)
Here’s a short one - your reply is a blatant, knowing lie. Either you can’t read English or you know that I didn’t say anything like that. In the minds of honest, rational people, that makes you a liar.

Calm down

scook 05-20-2022 09:53 AM

Very calm and pointing out that you saying “So you say McCarthy didn’t lie?” is you lying. Just a plain, simple, typical, undisputable lie from you.


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