If you can read this recent exchange and claim your replies to be responsive, or find anything even resembling an excuse, you are not, as you claim to be, an educated person.

Trump - be there be wild

Guiliani - trial by combat

Trump led insurrection attempt against our own government and against our democracy .

Wow, you are able to tirelessly avoid direct responses and instead insert your far left biased interpretations of statements, which clearly don’t mean what you represent them to mean in place of honest discussion. And then the lie about it being a “Trump led insurrection attempt”. At least you’re consistent.

You haven’t even accepted what happened .
Just denials

I have very accurately accepted what happened and acknowledged the bad part. I have not mindlessly troweled a catastrophic manic response over the whole thing as you continue to do.

If you’ve very accurately accepted what the trump followers did at our Capitol on Jan 6, 2021 that’s honorable. As we all know people didn’t “ just get rowdy” there - they violently attacked our Capitol Police injuring many .

"SOME" people got rowdy. (Less that 4%) However the overwhelming majority of the people that demonstrated that day (Well over 20,000) did not turn violent. They demonstrated peacefully. As for injuries, I wonder how Ashi feels about that? We should ask her. Oh wait, we can't because she was murdered by one of those innocent Capital Policemen, even though she was unarmed and presented no threat.

Same excuses from the same denier - nothing to see here .

Over 140 Capitol Police injured , some seriously .
Violent mob with scaffold to hang our Vice President .
It goes on and on denier .

They didn’t get “ rowdy “ - they VIOLENTLY attacked our police with intent to commit insurrection while making terrorist threats to kill our 2nd in command .

Destroyer - I really find you a despicable person .
All your hypocritical posts , slander of me, etc .
Just so you know.
And this is not a personal insult - it’s my opinion of you based on YOUR POSTS TO ME .

So it’s your assertion that because “some” (a microscopically small percentage) of Trump’s followers said he told them to do it (though that statement is completely without basis in fact), and he didn’t intervene as quickly as me might have, he should be prosecuted and is a traitor.

By that reasoning, you would have to vigorously support the prosecution of members of congress and others who were funding bail for violent domestic terrorists (to get them quickly back on the streets) attacking and injuring police, citizens, businesses, public facilities, etc. all over the country, actively encouraging the lawlessness directly responsible for hundreds of murders and billions of dollars of damage.

No? That’s you demonstrating the definition of hypocrisy.

Awww.... I'm hurt Greene. And here I thought we were friends...:you:

Of course, it is funny that you think I made hypocritical posts since a hypocrite is someone that says one thing but does another. I think I've always been fairly consistent in my feelings and anything I've posted. I've always provided links to anything I've stated whenever asked to, unlike some people that just change the subject. And when have I ever slandered you? I may have called you names, but I've never accused you of anything illegal. I've never made a false and damaging statement about you.

As to me personally, how you feel about me is irrelevant to me. Unfortunately, I cannot say what I think about you since I'm sure it would involve a lot of name calling but to be sure it would not be complementary. In fact I think I have already accurately described how I feel about you in another post so there's no real need to repeat myself.

Might I point out one thing though. You seem to take everything said in this forum as a personal insult if anyone disagrees with you. While it is true that a lot of personal insults have been traded back and forth, I think you have missed the real object of this particular thread, which is to exchange ideas on political subjects. I don't really care what you think about me, as I'm sure you don't care what I think about you. And that's as it should be since this is not a popularity contest.

It is however, a forum to exchange political viewpoints and as soon as you cross the line and start making personal insults instead of valid points it weakens your entire stance. (and that includes everyone here) That includes repeating the same thing over and over ad nauseum.

Just some friendly (no really, friendly) advice.

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WRONG AGAIN
To me - realistic disagreement and insults are very very different .
You blatantly cursed me out , and deny it .
So you’re opinions of ME are meaningless to me.
You should turn to HONEST SELF ANALYSIS instead of constantly posturing on this site .

Actually, Destroyer isn’t wrong at all.

If you understand the difference between realistic disagreement and insults, why do you respond to disagreement, and even a simple answer to a question you have asked, with insults, condescension or ignoring it altogether? I’m curious if you were ever planning to respond to my answer to your question regarding what freedoms we’ve lost?

He owned what he said, apologized for using words that you claim are offensive to you, and honestly, and I think accurately, said that he feels he correctly described your behavior.

Where did you get the idea that the opinion of you expressed by someone “cursing you out” is meaningless? If someone feels strongly enough to use strong language describing your behavior, you would benefit from listening carefully to try to understand what brought it on. When someone has abandoned cordiality, they probably have valuable feedback for you.

Honest self analysis is something you should be doing. Your obtuse behavior has been pointed out to you in different ways by several people here and like your response to other things you don’t agree with, you ignore or reply with insults and condescension.

Your “pushing buttons” and need to be right read quite convincingly as posturing.

Leave it alone, stop stirring the pot .

:haha:

Not stirring the pot, just pointing out that your response to Destroyer is WRONG, as you're so fond of saying, and not giving you a pass on the false, pot stirring nonsense you post.

1. Repeating requests - drop this and stop stirring the pot of trouble .

2. Gas prices had previously plummeted associated with the covid related drop on demand.
The REPUBLICAN supporting big oil companies such as EXXON-MOBIL were not pleased - but they’re very happy now with high fuel prices.

Hmmm... just to be clear. You're saying that the increased gas prices that started within days of Biden taking office are just a coincidence and not his fault?

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That is a perfect example of the despicable, partisan, dishonest and deeply destructive perversion of the justice system. THAT is the Nazi style fasciast persecution, so heartily supported and encouraged, actually celebrated by bgreene.

My last post refers to the obit for the guy who was persecuted to death. Can't find that thread, so following on here. Notwithstanding bgreen's pathetic walking back, excuse ridden response, this is exactly what he celebrates. The last time it came up about a guy pursued by the FBI for being ushered in by the police, he labeled him an "idiot" - for participating in a peaceful demonstration.

Never any concern for the huge number of deaths, injuries and massive property destruction and financial ruin to families directly resulting from the far, far left agenda he supports. His hypocrisy and political hackery are epic.

“ pathetic “ says scook regarding the FACTS of what the trump supporting violent mob did - and attempted to do at our Capitol on Jan 6, 2021.

A violent insurrection attempt against our United States Government .

It’s hard to imagine anyone reading my post and coming up with that. Unable to engage with intellectual honesty - very consistent.

He's nothing if not consistent.



Consistent :bsflag:

JUNE, 2022
The FACTS and DATA regarding Trumps direct involvement with INSURRECTION attempt will be released.


https://www.newsweek.com/jamie-raski...ection-1702364

Reminiscent of the democrats saying they had absolute proof of Russian collusion during those phony, dishonest hearings. I think I’ll wait to see if they remain true to their status quo of political lying.

Remember trumps announcement that he had absolute proof Obama was not an America citizen ? He had nothing.

The difference is that he was goading Obama, during a campaign, to produce evidence of his citizenship, which as I recall wasn’t particularly convincing. Nuance isn’t your strong suit.

Insults is your “ strong suit “ , that and denial

And nice try at spinning the facts - fact is trump said he was going to present absolute proof Obama was not a USA born citizen - and trump presented nothing .

That’s pretty simplistic thinking.

No scook - that’s what trump SAID .

Trump said he had absolute proof Obama wasn’t born on American land - and then trump presented NOTHING .

Nothing simplistic about it - just the FACT .

The simplistic part is your thinking, which is why you understand nothing of the dynamics of the situations you so confidently profess your opinions about.

“ dynamics of the situation” scook uses as excuse for Trump again, and again …..
boring

If you can’t appreciate the difference between a campaign statement, meant to squeeze something out of your opponent, who by the way was abjectly lying about Trump at the time, and flagrant lies from sitting members of congress, knowing full well that they were lying about the president, regarding an official (but fraudulent) investigation they were conducting, you don’t have the intellectual horsepower to conduct a reasonable of discussion.

I don’t make excuses for anyone.

“ no intellectual horsepower “ says scook .
Hahahaha now you are funny - you’re a funny guy !!

You’ll probably know when I’m being funny. I’m very seriously concerned about the horrible condition of the country, and able to look at the larger picture. I’m disgusted by the destructiveness of the far left’s agenda and their idiotic lack of understanding of the consequences of what they’re doing. These are the people you support and make excuses for, e.g. Biden and his influencers.

They spend enormous amounts of money irresponsibly at levels we won’t be able to legitimately repay.

They press sexual agendas that are far from reasonable, project them on children FAR to young for such things to be remotely age appropriate, arrogantly declare that parents need to butt out and enlist the FBI to investigate parents complaining at school board meetings as domestic terrorists. They force an insanely liberal viewpoint down the throats of students and ridicule any student who dares to challenge the propaganda.

They adopt what you accuse Trump of wanting to do - a truth commission. Square that with the Constitution you profess to value deeply.

They actively support chronic violence and destruction by far left groups, e.g. BLM and ANTIFA. I don’t know about your area, but here in Portland and spilling out to previously VERY safe surrounding communities, crime is rampant and filthy, unsafe homeless camps are spreading.

They gleefully squashed our energy independence, leaving us at the mercy of the Russians, Saudis, Venezuelans, Iran, pretty much all of the oil producers who hate us and want us all dead. But, hey, let’s make fossil fuel energy so expensive that everyone buys electric cars - the little people who actually die of cold in the winter because they can’t afford heating fuel, even if many of them are democrats, are expendable. It’s fine to tax the poor egregiously with their inflation policies.

If you don’t see what the people you support are doing to the country, you truly don’t have the intellectual horsepower to be part of the discussion and certainly not part of the solution.

You keep up your good work, obsessing over Trump’s, Republican’s and conservative’s flaws, completely ignoring the glaring, traitorous, dishonest, destructive behavior of the people in power right now, who you support. I’ll be grateful for, flawed as he may be, Trump’s overall excellent execution of the presidency, Elon Musk for stepping up in an epic way to protect free speech and rational, honest, non-far left people in and running for office and all of us voting for them all over the country.

For a guy who claimed to be “ too busy doing real work” to view the news on McCarthys lie - you sure have enough time to post non stop.
Me - I don’t make excuses .

Yes, Trump was reportedly very angry about the riots in the wake of George Floyd’s murder by police . He reportedly wanted to send in our military to end it .
He said he was the “ law and order President .”

Then, when he LOST the election, he encouraged the violence that occurred at our Capitol, and purposefully delayed and delayed for hours speaking up to HIS followers to stop the attack.
Trumps ONLY law and order for his agenda and will encourage Americans to attack each other for HIS agenda .

For a guy who doesn’t make excuses, you’ve sure made enough of them for Biden.

Trump was very much a law and order president - he sent federal agents to protect federal facilities and the lives of federal employees when Portland political hacks wouldn’t ALLOW our local police to provide ANY protection and deputized state and local law enforcement officers as federal agents to assist. The local despicable hacks howled like squashed cats and now, in the officer shortage crisis caused by their defunding, disrespecting and prosecuting the police they are lying about what happened in an attempt to rehire Portland officers who retired early to get out of the dishonest, malicious mess they had made of the police bureau. But they still classify those who “helped the fed’s attack our citizens” ineligible for rehire - yes, Trump was a law and order president in the face of your people abandoning honest, useful, non-violent citizens to the far left terrorists and criminal opportunists.

Did he encourage a vigorous demonstration, certainly. Did he direct his supporters to use violence, absurd. Go ahead and re-quote “fight like hell” a phrase so common in politics that taking it the way you do is mindless. Should he have spoken up more quickly, I think probably so, but neither you nor I know the particulars of what really went on, in spite of draconian “reports” by far left biased sources. I fault him for probably losing the two Georgia Senate seats by making his appearance there more about the election than the fact that we badly needed those seats to stop the destructive democrat agenda and appointment of radically liberal Supreme Court justices. He’s not perfect, nor is anyone else, but your picture of him is off the rails inaccurate and dishonest.

“ Off the rails and dishonest opinion of trump says scook “
Our Capitol was under attack, police being attacked, mob making terroristic threats to kill our Vice President of our United States …the mob was inside our Capitol searching for Pence and others, .and trump refused to speak up to stop the violence for hours.
We know this is a FACT . Republican officers and even his children were begging trump to speak up and he would not till the extreme damage and injury done.
Trump WANTED them to stop the transfer of Presidency by violence

And you scook continue the excuses for trump .

Trump wanted force used to stop the George Floyd killing protests and related riots .
Trump wanted force used for protestors at his rallies .

But trump didn’t do anything to stop the violent attack at our Capitol .
What does that tell you ? You know exactly .

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/opini...nio/index.html