DESTROYER .......Obama inherited the GEORGE BUSH fiasco ......trillion dollar spend going after the wrong target after the 911 attack. Obamas stimulus plan cost money but resulted in the economic recovery that Trump inherited . FACT look it up .

You put quotes around my word fact as if its not true because youre a Trump supporter.
Thats what Trump did.........label things he didnt like as fake news.
His spokes person Kelly Conway even made up the term alternative facts .
There is no such thing .

Yes FACTS matter and Trump is a lying cheating con man traitor who may be in jail 2024 rather than running for office again. In jail for tax fraud business fraud and other crimes . As a traitor he should be in jail for high crimes against our nation.

Greenie, I'm sorry but I've had enough. It took me a while to realize that you're just trolling these forums looking for an argument. Here you even went back to a post that's 5 years old looking for a fight. 5 years!! What did you do, make a search of posts here just so you could find something to argue about? No matter what I or anyone else says you will just poo-poo it, add more useless comments and dribble about how bad orange man was. You're a troll with severe TDS and I should have seen it earlier. Debating you is useless, so go right ahead and spout all your distorted, useless facts and false information. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the A$$. I'm done talking to you.
Have a nice day.

TRUMPERS typically turn to anger and insults rather than deal with the truth.
I post FACTS not BS. BS is a waste of time .
This is the Political Forum and there are no rules specific to date of last reply.

You refer to the FACTS as useless.
I believe the facts are critically important to our great country’s history and future.

I said I was done talking to you, but you have made accusations about me that are not true, so I must respond.
First, no anger is present on my side. I'm not insulting anyone. I didn't use derogatory words like dumb, idiotic, stupid, snowflake, etc. The only thing I did was post facts. I used labels, well established for years now in internet jargon, to describe a particular type of person, . Troll is a descriptive adjective identifying a particular type of person. TDS is the same thing. These are not derogatory name calling, just identifiers.


I deal with truth on a daily basis, in everything I say and do.

The truth is I never said that facts were useless. Please show me where I said that. And yes, I agree with you that real facts, not the made up, spun lies that the left wing controlled media puts out, are critically important to our Country's history and future. (What a shame the Dem's don't).

So I have a question for you and all Dems.

I'm just so curious to know!

Last year, when Conservatives worried that a Biden victory would result in massive changes to tilt the playing field in favor of a perpetual Democrat majority***8212;specifically:
1) Packing the Supreme Court (to allow Democrats to fill 4 new positions and assure victory for their agenda, regardless of Constitutional merit)
2) Creating a New Democrat-majority state out of Washington DC (rather than allowing the residential areas of the district to revert to the state of MD.)
3) Ending the filibuster, so that the senate no longer is structured to ensure that 60% must agree to pass contentious laws.

When we fretted about this last fall we were assured that Biden was the ultimate middle-of-the-road guy, a reasonable correction to the divisive Trump.

Well, here we are, and all of the aforementioned items are on the agenda. Do not expect any to be vetoed by Biden.

My question(s) to you is: were you simply repeating talking points? Did you want this all along, and just pretended to be in favor of incremental changes that are supported by the majority?

I mean, I can't imagine that you would think that it would have been fine for the GOP to enlarge the court during the Trump administration. So, my conclusion is that this is a power grab, necessary to allow the enactment of laws that would never pass through justices that actually enforce the
Constitution (which statehood for DC does not permit)

If I sound a bit overwrought, it's just that it seems to me to be the end of our 2-party system. Or am I somehow wrong and we weren't lied to?

DESTROYER .....I don’t pretend anything in these political posts .

Supreme Court ....
Do you remember when Republicans BLOCKED Obama’s very solid pick Merritt Garland.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnells BS excuse was it was too close to the election.
Total BS and no such law supported that refusal.

Then two months before this Presidential election after Ginsberg died , McConnell did the total reverse and said the Senate would do a quick vote to allow Trumps pick for the Supreme Court.

FYI .....the Supreme Court is not limited to 9 members and the number has varied through our history .

This thread being REFLECTIONS ON ELECTION ......should be a confirmation of Trump the traitor. He tried to steal a fair election, he tried to force even Republican state leaders to cheat on the election ( he’s on tape doing so ) and he purposefully allowed attack on our Capitol, leaders and Vice President .

Reflection on Election ?
How close we came to becoming a DICTATORSHIP under Trump.
May he spend the rest of his lying cheating life in our Super Max Prison.

:you:

Give it a rest.

Real questions that I have about the current administration:

Does anyone think the Biden tax plan is going to help the economy? How about the capital gains tax increase?

Does anyone think the Biden tax plan will boost the middle class, boost small businesses and lead to more jobs?

If so, I'd love to hear how because to me it sounds like a real job/economy killer.

We had to pay state taxes and came close to having to pay federal this year. We pay in the max amount and also have other deductions. This is the first time ever having to pay either state or federal. Our accountant says it is going to get much worse. (We do not make anywhere close to 400K in case you are wondering).

True, but it didn't change the number of justices, just who they were. Your example is poor at best because it doesn't answer the question that was asked, it just points to something totally different, as though that was somehow relevant.



A little history lesson for you. For over 150 YEARS the number of seats on the supreme court has stood at 9 seats. Originally the number was 6 back in the 1700's but as the Country grew more seats were added until we reached the present number in 1869. In 1937 Roosevelt tried to pack the court so he could get his New Deal (Hmmm.... where have I heard that phrase before?) laws passed but was ultimately defeated in his plan. While you are correct that the number of seats has varied it has NEVER been more than 9 seats total. (In fact, Biden himself, back in 1983, called the idea of packing the court a "boneheaded idea" A "terrible, terrible" plan).



Really? Your source please. What is your proof that he tried to force leaders to cheat? Be specific. He is, however, on tape and video telling his supporters, during the Capitol protest, to be peaceful, so where is your proof that he allowed an attack on our Capital? https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-storm-capitol



LOL To that remark I can only point to Pipe Dream's comment.

Let me point out that the Dems are in total control of 90% of the media, Social media, the presidency, both houses of Congress and now they want to pack the Supreme Court with yes-men (or women) members that will rubber stamp and pass anything they (the far left Democrats) want. We are closer to a dictatorship now than at any time ever before in the history of our Country. And parrots that just keep repeating the same old Dem talking points without really knowing or understanding how dangerous a time we are living in should shut up.


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Reflections on the election......this thread title:

Well lets post some FACTS about TRUMP
1. Trump lost the election
2. Trump tried to change the outcome
3. Trump tried to force officials to change the outcome
4. Trump almost got our VP killed and other members of our govt
while he gleefully watched on TV our Capitol being raided and our police beaten.

Sounds like a horror movie about a Democracy in great peril .
It was, and thankfully THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS voted him out !!!!

Trump the traitor X President of the United States.
Mt Rushmore .......nope more like Federal Prison for life

You want facts? Trump received MORE votes (75 MILLION) in the last election than ANY person that ever ran for the office. He even received 2 million more than Hillary. He lost because of the electoral collage, which is how it should be. However there was and still remains a large amount of suspicion about certain states he lost due to irregularities in counting of ballots and mail in ballots. Although the lawsuits that followed were thrown out by various courts, 98% of them were thrown out not because they were invalid (in fact several judges said they had merit and that he probably would have won them) They were thrown out because the statue of limitations had expired. So if you call filing lawsuits "trying to change the election" you're exactly right.


I'll ask you again, where is your proof that Trump tried to force anyone illegally to change the outcome? Why do you keep dodging the question?


Exactly HOW did Trump almost get our VP killed? You mean in the capitol protest? The only persons killed in the protest were 4 protestors. (Don't tell me the BS about the capitol police officer that was killed after getting hit with an fire extinguisher because that has been proven to be a false narrative. In FACT, the police officer died of 2 massive strokes 2 days after the protest. Several doctors have stated that his death was not connected in any way with the protest. There exists NO video of any capitol police getting beaten, so where is your proof of that lie?



See, like I said... just more untrue talking points with no proof.



LOL Polly want a cracker?




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