Thinking is good.

Fishing is good.

You Old Coot:beer:

Back at ya, Old Buddy!!...:beer:

I think we all can pretty much agree with this statement to some degree or another, and there in lies thecenter of the problem. This election is proving to be not much if any better than the last one. Our choices that are being pushed down our throats are not all peaches and cream like we would like, and I am very afraid that this fact will hand the 2012 election over to o again. Th GOP needs to pull there heads out of there rectums and run an actual canidate, not true blue rino's. I support Ron PAul, but I know I'm in a silent majority on this one(as evidenced by his internet support and all of the polls he keeps winning or placing at the top in that the MSM ignores). ALL of the canidates have qualities that some of us don't like, and it will be that way with all of them. and unfortunately we have to AGAIN pick the lesser of the 2 evils(as I just don't see Ron Paul being able to get past the MSM bias against him). And after a few searches and videos, I for one don't find his foreign policy that far off track myself, or at least not like most people think his views are. His views are not completely inline with my own, but there is one HUGE redeeming factor to him. He is a CONSTITULIONIST and will do EVERYTHING in his power to return us to what our founders set forth for us in the CONSTITUTION.

These ARE GOD given rights that were guaranteed to us by our founders set forth for us by that document that our current administration wipes it's A$$ with. They ARE GOD given rights, but tyranical governments are tearing them away from us at gunpoint if they see fit.

And I will agree with WILLY that I think in o's second term he will not hold back and go into OVERDRIVE in his pursuit of socialism and redistribution of wealth. In his 2nd term he will have no incentive to hold back, but will have EVERY incentive to plow ahead with his plan that his MASTER wants(yes I feel he is a puppet, but I won't take this that direction right now). He needs to be STOPPED, but not at the expense of bringing in more of the same.

With our current administration, and the choices we have to choose from. It seems to me that maybe our nation is heading for collapse that is unstoppapble at this point in time. The question will be will the socialist's have teh ground work set forth for there takeover, or will we will still have enough left to take back our country when the fit hits the shan? Or is there a chance that somebody who can salvage what is left will get into office, and force those corrupt souls out? I find this one tough since the President is but one person out of the over 500 souls in DC. And with so many suckling on the gubment tit, how can we get the bad ones out and enough good ones in to stop it?

Well I'll stop rambling now as I need to get to work.

Well, if you'll allow me an observation...If Newt had been a Democrat the left wing news media of the Democratic party would have run it as a 1 inch column on page 25 of the NY Times, the Democratic would have circled the wagons and defended his actions by pointing fingers at other people and saying they were to blame and the TV media would have simply stopped reporting it after one day...in effect sweeping it under the rug so that it would go away.

If you want to find the one biggest problem in our Country it is the corruption and take over of our news media by the Democratic party. As long as the news gets "filtered" with the bias of one party or another it will never be news, just opinions mascarading as news. Not reporting the faults of one side of the asile, while at the same time picking out or simply making up lies about the other side, and then presenting them as facts on the 6 oclock news is, to me at least, much more of a criminal act than someone making some money as an advisor. One only has to look at Sarah Palin or more recently Herman Cain to see the lengths that the media will go to destroy a person they deem to be a threat to the Democratic party. Only completely unbiased, unfiltered news will be able to shine the light of truth on the corruption that presently resides in Washington, BC.

Reel, you pointed a finger at Newt in this thread, and I do tend to agree with you, but lets be honest about this... while Newt may have been making money as an advison, there were a ton of democrats in Congress that were to blame just as much, if not more, then Newt. Barney Frank instantly comes to mind, but there were a host of others. Both sides of the asile were reaping the cash from Freddie Mac and Fannie May.

I, as stated already elsewhere in this discussion, tend to also like Ron Paul, exactly for the reasons that TheFermanator just pointed out. But I still have a problem wrapping my arms around his stance on 9/11. He's stuck with it, I give him that, no flip-flops, but to say that we were responsible for 9/11... that we deserved it, is simply more than I can stomach.

And finally, to others that have made comments in this thread, and strictly as a observation, please allow me to point out that although certain rights may very well be "God given", the person that has the guns is that one that actually does or does not allow them. For example, it's useless to say that God has given me the freedom of speach when there is a person with a gun pointed at me telling me to shut up and that "if you speak about this or that subject I will kill you". :head: