A 60 mph V20.

Little out there, but you oughta be about as close to it as any of us. Unless CTT buys my 315HP MERCRUISER and drops it in his:clap:.

If I ever break down and buy a GPS I might find out.

If you were closer I would loan ya one of mine, or better yet pace you in my FLATS boat. Had it up to 59 a couple weeks back with a 1/4 tank of fuel and 2 people on board. Although my girlfriend pretty well said she wouldn't let me go that fast again in a boat with her in it. Got her attention when she seen the speed and I launched off a wake of another boat:you:.

that merc auction is ending today in 1 hr .. price is up to $830 with 7 bids. hmmm... compression worries me though on that one cylinder.

Yeah Brad; he says it does close to 60. He's got a 225 jonny on his 20 fisherman. Do you have any idea what yours can do?

:bsflag:I think he is full of chips

I'll let you all know if a V20 with a 225 Evinrude will do 60 real soon. Right after I move, rent out my old house, fix the transom on the boat, and get it all rigged.... O.K. maybe not too soon, This list is depressing me.

that 150 merc went for 1236.00 .. too much with that miss and those compression numbers ..

search is still on.

my boat right now will do nowhere near 60 .... actually it will not even do 15 :) bought it with a blown sea drive.

60 would be nice .. i am a bit of a speed demon, at least on the ground .. but 40 on the water seems fast to me.

if the guy with the yamaha 200 replies back to me, may go look at that one.

looks like batteries to front is a good idea no matter what. or i can sit my fat @$$ up there and let the wife drive ...

on second thought .. skip that .. bad idea.

I think you made the reight choice on that MERC, and if you get the YAMAHA I think it would be a good choice. Just remember to keep it light. Unfortunately the lightest option is also the thirstiest option. An old 235 JOHNNY-RUDE would be light and powerful, but it earned it's reputation as the 2 thirsty 5 for a good reason.

Therm is right.

I can tell you from experince my 235's was thristy! 27 gph at WOT. My 74 CC ran 43 MPH with that motor just like every one else (sorry couldn't quite get 60!!!). The only outboard that I know that is thristier is what I'm running on my other boat!, a 250 V8 Johnson! 32 gph @ WOT - but it will push a old and heavy 25 Aquasport CC at 42 MPH.

Kamikaze

Therm I will have to agree on the Yamaha. There are always so many people who say a 200 is too much and I will disagree everytime. I have a 1990 Yamaha 200 and in calm water I can do 47Kts or 56MPH WOT. That being said I rarely have to cruise anything above 3100 rpms for an economical cruise and still get to where I am going fairly quick. I have been on only one other V-20 and it had a 150 and that would be a bare minimum in my book.

Plus the YAMAHA 150 and 200 are the same weight in the early years as they are the same displacement. Mid to late 90's they upped the cubic inches of the 200 to the same as the 225/250's.

now i have another dilemma. i got a response from the guy selling that 1990 johnson 225. the ad states rebuilt powerhead with 100 hrs on it. 25" shaft .. controls and wire harness included.

this was the one that said "easy on gas" :) . asking price is $999

my boat is an 85 center console .. my max capacities decal is missing. someone posted that my boat is rated at 200 hp max.

i also read on here somewhere that this motor would fit my weight needs.

what are your thoughts .. i know some say it is too heavy, some say it is not. the other motor i was looking at is a 92 yamaha 200 with 300-400 hrs of freshwater use (?) power trim tilt/oil injected and no controls for $1600. the guy is hard to contact. does not seem real interested in selling it.

can i run a 225? is it much heavier than the 92 yammi 200 that you already gave me the green light?

thanks again

There are fellows here that know these engines well and know if the weight would be a problem motor to motor.
Just being a amateur but seeing afew things in my day I would say do not exceed the horsepower rating. Do I think the manufacturer was being slightly conservative, possibly. Do I think the hull when NEW could handle it, yes.
If you are insuring the boat you will of course make it hard to collect for any damages you suffer. Could there be other legal problems, not likely but possible.
The major reason I would say to not do it is, it is unnessasary, you may be overpowering a old transom, you be be adding weight to an undesirable if not downright unsafe level.
The question in my mind at least is why?
JMHO

all good points .. i guess some of these boats were rated at 225 .. i think someone said that '85 was 200, but not sure.

i agree, if the max for my boat is indeed 200, then going beyond that may not be a good idea .. even for 25 hp.

i have no doubt the boat could handle it, especially if some years were rated for 225, not sure what changes could have been made to the hull for this ... maybe no changes were made.

i would be worried that if something happened, i would be sued by some lawyer stating that since i have 25 hp more, that is what caused the accident.

i am not sure what max hp my boat is rated at.

Up to 85 was 200HP max, and 86+ was 225HP max. The main reason for the increase in the max HP rating was the design of outboards changed. Up to 85 there wasn't a lightweight alternative to really get more than 200HP out of an outboard. In 86 OMC came out with the 200/225 loopers. The big V6 loopers from OMC weighed in close to 475-500 pounds, and that YAMAHA is just shy of 400. This is enough of a weight savings to make a difference on a bracket mount application. You can always try it and see how you like it, but I think WHATKNOT has a good balance on his with his YAMAHA he has. The extra HP isn't so much an issue as the extra weight that the big JOHNNY-RUDES pack. Look at it this way, MJ's SEA OX is a beast of a boat and he has a 225 EVINRUDE on it. Now consider the difference in balance and size, yet hanging that engine just as far back with just as much weight. That is a BIG difference in balance.

great info ...

did not know there was that much diff in weight between the yamaha and johnson .. that much weight would make a difference, especially with the bracket application.

all makes sense. thanks

on a side note....

where can i get a replacement max capacities plate for my boat? can you get them from wellcraft?

Check the links section, you can get them on there. I'll trade ya my 225 Evinrude for Randleman's 140 Johnzuki, Deal?? LOL

for sure on that, ask Whale how Old School does with a 1999 115 hp johnson , it was plenty and then some. if I was going to be loaded up with a whole family and pulling adult skiers up out of the water regulary then a 150 would have been the ticket but the 115 did it. For fishing all day with a crew and coolers and all the paraphenalia that goes with it plus a full enclosure up she flew around 33=35 top end.
Cruise at around 23-35 was sweet and used very little gas.

The search may be over, found this one today for ya. I believe 2001 was the last year for the 2.0L 150's.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CLEAN...QQcmdZViewItem

http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/f4/b4/014b_12.JPG

wow .. that is a nice motor .. wonder if it is 25" shaft. a little more than i wanted to spend, i will definately keep my eye on it.

thanks!!!!!

if the guy ever calls me back that has the 200 hp yamaha (1992). but this motor has no controls. how much am i looking at for controls??? i assume mine will not work from the sea drive..

also stumbled on some new postings ...

1998 johnson 150 with controls 25" $1900

1988 merc blax max 175, 25", new water pump installed $1400/ bo

i reall like the 150 fermanator posted .. but looking at near $4000 with shipping ... would not have $$ left for the other plans i have :) but not out of the question yet.

also found this 2000 johnson 200 hp http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...258351656&rd=1

Good engine but thirsty.

Excellent canidate, most likely a 2.0L in that year range.

A bit heavy, and thristy.

This one is right up there close to the big JOHNNY-RUDES in weight, but good on gas.

http://www.classicseacraft.com/forum...b=5&o=&fpart=1

I have a 94 MERC 2.0L, 25" shaft with a older vertical reed powerhead recently installed listed on craigslist 2100.00 but will sell to a member for 1900.00. Here's the link if your interested.

http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/boa/700244741.html

Kamikaze

that suzuki looks real nice .. but my boat can only handle 200 hp!!! arrgh.

what am i looking at for additional costs buying a motor with no controls?

kamikaze .. does your motor have controls? is the power head used? the motor looks real nice.

Controls with wire harness if needed run like $500 new

The extra 25HP wouldn't concern me as much as the 470 pounds of engine weight. That 225HP SUZUKI is easy on fuel, and good top end. There a bit lacking in the bottom end torque department because of there low 2.7L displacement though. I like that 150 that kamikaze has for sale, it would be IDEAL for your project.

thanks, ferm. i sent an email to the guy with the 88 black max to see if it is indeed a 2.0 motor.

kamikaze... your motor sounds good, not sure what the older style power head means .. good, bad, neither. shipping would be the next question. would you consider shipping this motor? what is missing from the motor (controls, prop, etc) that i would need to scrounge up?

it is better to buy new controls as macojoe says for $500? i guess old cables could be a problem???

called the guy with the black max 175 .. states it is the type with seperate tilt/trim pump,etc...

gave me the serial number 5320623 .. can you tell if this is a 2.0L ??

thanks

bsteckel:

Motor as a ignition harness but no controls for throttle and shift, or trim/tilt and there is no prop either. I'd be willing to ship it but would rather have you come and hear it run first. If your going to spend the money I don't suspect it's that far of a drive for you (then again I have gone to Miami to pick up a boat before so I have no problem with driving!)

Older powerhead is just that (80's) mounted on a 1994 engine As THERM said MERC made a ton of these engines. When I got the motor the powerhead had two bad cylinders (oil reservoir hose came off at the injector and it didn't take long after for the problem to set in after that! - thus why the oil injection system is now removed.)

Instead of rebuilding the original powerhead, I purchased a older used 135 HP 2.0L powerhead off of Screamandfly.com. Suspect powerhead was rebuilt at sometime as the welch plug isn't stamp with a model number and typically they are. I rebuilt the carbs from the original powerhead and reinstalled them on the replacement ,bring it back to a 150. Believe the stator and trigger have been recently replaced as well based on their appearance alone.

Kamikaze

i stumbled across a 1995 150 merc ... but it is a 2.5, not a 2.0

what are the pros/cons of the 2.5 vs 2.0?

comes with controls and stainless prop ... under 200 hrs asking price is $2000 .. compression is good at 125lbs in all holes. motor tested on ddt tester (not sure what that is) with no problems.

of course, this is what was told to me.

sounds like a good price

guy with the yamaha for sale seems to be very busy .. not sure why you would advertise something for sale and then never be available to sell it????

Since you say it was tested on a DDT, I'm assuming it's an EFI. If so it is one THIRSTY SOB, believe me I have one. They have torque that is out of this world though for a small V-6, but that 12-13 gallons per hour at cruise is a killer. Also a 25" shaft 2.5L EFI weighs in around 425 pounds. If I was considering a 2.5L, I would go with a 200HP for the reduced cruising RPM's. This will give you an idea of the fuel burn for a 2.5L 150, the older engines are close but slightly higher(about 5-8% more fuel burn).

http://www.mercurymarine.com/look_de...p5090150efi=20

how much more fuel does the 2.5 150 burn at cruise than the 2.0 150?

there must be some advantage for efi? less smoke? better response?

thanks

The EFI is easier to start, and runs a little smoother. Many say the carb motors are actually btter on fuel than the EFI, and they both use the same oil injection pump so oil consumption on oil injected models is the same. The EFI I have does have INCREDIBLE off idle performance compared to my 2.0L. I know my 2.5L 150 EFI burns 12-13 GPH on an 18' flats boat, I have a 2L 150 on a 17.6' bass boat that burns about 4-5 GPH at the same cruise speed and RPM's. The bass boat is lighter, but the 2.L is alot better IMO. The 2.0L will use a little more fuel at idle due to porting inside the engine, and the 2.5L has ALOT more torque.

wow, that is almost double the fuel consumption ... is there that much difference in weight between the 2 boats ?..

that 2.5 is 35 lbs heavier approx than the yamaha i am looking at .. and 40 lbs heavier than the 2.0 150 .. not a huge difference.but coming with controls and a ss prop, that is less things that i have to buy. unless the ss prop that came with my sea drive would fit, then the controls is the only difference.

but double the fuel consumption ... wow.