Re: Suzuki 140
 

$3000+ for a install I would say so!!!!!!!!!! :o

Re: Suzuki 140
 

In fairness I need to point out that over $750 was tax to Dubya's little brother.
And like most jobs on a boat there was more to it than just hanging the motor and walking away.
New wheel was $350, controls $250, all new cables, hauling & blocking, removing and desposing of the old POS, cleaning up twenty years of several idiot owners wiring, new drain tube, etc. All done in the Keys, where everyone would rather be doing something else.

When I worked, I got paid. I can't expect less from someone who works for me. Having said that, I did think it was pricey.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Pricey maybe, but w/ all the extras/ work you describe and havin' it all done in paradise 8) it begins to make more sense...specially if GOOD job you're happy with... ;) ;D ...

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Sounds better now that we know all!! But I am a cheap SOB!!

Do it yourself next time!!

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Think he'd rather be catchin' a breeze at home ;) 8) ...who could blame him??...not me!! ;D ;D ;D...


...as a matter of fact, Snoozer might make good DAWG candidate 2 8) ...

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Holy Crap 900 bucks for a service to the valves :o
That does not include the other items being done plus lubes and whatever. Plus the remittance to the coffers of the King.


Did I say Holy Crap :-/

Making those ETECs look better every day.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I agree thats to much !!!

But weather its E-Tec, Honda, Johnson, Yamaha, Merc they all got you one way or the other!!

They going to pull what ever they can from you!!

Unbeliveable that you will spend $10,000 to $15,000 for new power and then have to dropv another grand to have it checked or lose your warr!!

If they want to do a study on there motors let them do it on there dime!! We pay anough already!!

I will keep buying good (I hope) used old 2 strokes till there are no more around or till I win the lotto!!

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Your right Joe, and I would be too if I were a teenager again.
But I am on the other side of learning what my time is truely worth. I turn the key and this motor runs, no poking, no prodding, no wondering if it will blow up this trip or next.

I will be the first to admit, I am very lucky to be able to have a new motor. I can also tell you, the time horsing around with an old POS is not where I want to invest the time I have. It is, a matter of priorities. No one wants to spend more than they have to. I never thought I would spend $40,000 on a corvette, but I did once. I have learned a lot since then. I will not loose as much on this motor as I lost on that damn corvette.

The seats are recovered, new fuel sender is in. Time for another round of pictures, .... next time I pull pots.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I can't wait to see your set up, hauling those lobster pots :)

How many do tou have/ how many can you safely haul on your boat?

Please post pics...

Thanks

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I dont know about any of the 4 strokes as i dont have one yet but a friend of mine runs them on rental boats along with some older yammie and johnnyrudes . He reports that they are quiet and if you dont run them flat out they get good gas mileage but the dealer required check ups are killers financially ..Frank

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I dont know about zukies but I see a lot of them and they seem to have an excellent reputation from pretty seasoned captains who are out 250 days a year or more. The sea tow and TowBoat US guys here in Beaufort run the piss out of them and swear by em. On the other hand if the REQUIRED DEALER maintenance is anything like some of the others then it may need a second look..An old guy across the creek asked me to pick up and tow his boat from the dealer as he has trouble backing up his truck( he is 75) and I have to say I was AMAZED at the bill. The motor is a 2004 Yammie 225 and just for an oil change it was $178.00 and I wont tell you what the valve adjustment cost $$$$$$$..I was also amazed to see his warranty book with maintenance receipts for what its cost him so far just to run out a few times a year for flounder. And to add insult to injury the dealer talked him into an extended warranty which DOES NOT cover this kind of ROUTINE maintenance...The motors are not the issue here and can probably get along fine without all the required check ups etc. its the greedy dealers but thats just my opinion...Frank

Re: Suzuki 140
 

OK, here's an update. Motor now has 100 hours on it. It has not missed a beat. Fuel consumption is still low and the motor runs easier (picks up rpm quicker).

A note aout the V-20.
It has been blowing like stink for three weeks here in the Keys, and the few crab pots I have must be attended. The V-20 is dryer than I thought it would be. I can always find a speed/direction that gives a smooth ride, and still get to the grounds in a reasionable time. I am pleased. But those of you with V-20s knew these boats are good already.
The only fault is the wash over the stern, and part of that is my fault for not raising the transom befor installing the new motor.

Here in Marathon there is a clean-up going on to get rid of old boats that are abandoned. I have watched two V-20 stuffed into dumpsters and taken to the dump. It is a shame that more folks do not bring back the run-down hulls that are out there. I hear Florida has a new way to get a new title for an abandoned boat and it may be an option.

So this is an indorsment of the V-20 for the Key's waters (and probably anywhere else too).

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Sounds like you are all set!!

To bad about them V20 and any other boat that is getting crushed!! :'(

Wish I was there, but then again I would have a boat junk yard!!
Hey thats not a bad Idea! Strip and sell all the parts, and people like skools could come and cut 3 feet off a v0 to glass to another V20and make it a 23 footer~!

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Hey Snoozer...that wash over the stern...may be too late for transom mods, but what does the splashwell look like?...might be able to build that up and then the wash won't matter a twit ;) 8) ...

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Cool thread. A wise man once told me what boat stands for: B.O.A.T.--Break Out Another Thousand!! I have to agree with macojoe, I am a cheap sob and try to save a dime if possible. On the other hand, peace of mind is worth alot and knowing my motor is gonna get me back to port (especially with the wifey on board!)makes it worth spending the money to get something done right. I'm glad to have found this board so when something does go wrong chances are someone else had the same problem and we can all learn and save a buck with someone else's experience.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I like something to go wrong with the wife on board!! Cauase then she never goes again!!

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I have been waiting with baited breath for an update on your 140 performance. Anything to share?

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Yeh, I want WOT information, RPMS and MPH.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

I can get those numbers for us. Hale33 on here, his dad has a V-20 cuddy w/ 140 zuke. I'll shoot him an email tommorrow and see what his does as well...

Airslot

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Great! I was beginning to think that I was going to have to change the bait on my breath.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Sorry I have been remiss.

I am not sure what performance numbers you all are looken for.

I never run WOT, because I have to pay to fix it.
The boat will do 20kts at 4200rpm, light.
5000rpm is 26kts, light.
Mileage is still around 5mpg, less if loaded.
By loaded I mean, full fuel, three big coolers of ice, three to four big guys, (I am 375).

The gulf stream is six miles off now, and I troll medium fast.
Lobstering in the gulf is at about six kts.

Got questions?

Re: Suzuki 140
 

What is the max rpm rating on it?

You mention knots, is this knots or is it mph?

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Snoozer...you 6 miles from the Stream?...you realize that makes you eligible for "DAWG of the Month"... ;D ;D ...

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Must be nice living down there in paradise, 6 miles from the stream.

Max rpm on the 140 is 6200.

It wont break, and if it does its under warranty. OPEN THAT BABY UP!!!!!

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Well guys the "stream" is 32 miles off today.

I forgot to mention that the boat has a painted bottom and sometimes carries 'stuff' with it. I was surprised how much slime and cridders were riding along last week when I took some folks snorkeling.

Speed is in Knots, measured by gps.

I know I could push it up a bit; but we don't get too many days this time of year for that. The wind has droped out for a few days right now; but it has been blowing for weeks. I usally push the boat as fast as I need to, to get a good ride; sometimes that is less than 2000. Just under 4000 will keep it off plane so I can push through the square chop we get down here; without getting wet.

All said, this motor is a good fit for this boat. If the boat was any heaver or loaded all the time, it would need more hp or a prop reduction. The mileage makes me love it.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Yeah, Snoozer...no boubt the mileage on 4-strokers at low Rpms=hard to beat ;D ...

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Update.
In the last spell of good weather, the alarm went off for the 100 hour oil change. So today I changed oil (still very clean) and filter to stay in warrenty. $38 and $20 for the ramp.

Hopefully the weather will back off a bit and it will not take so long to put the next hundred hours on it. The stream is moving off again, but there are still some dolphin around and the crab pots need haulin.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Snoozer,Hows the crabbing been? I built some pots out of milk crates and plan on putting them out first of march. Our season up here slows way down in Dec, Jan, & Feb and starts to pick up in march. We don't have enough for commercial guys just a few recreational boats. We're going to try to get down to big pine this summer for a couple of weeks and are looking for a house. got any suggestions? The last time we were there we had a house by no name, but i don't think it is still in rental. Glad to hear the new motor is working out . A friend of mine has the same one on a 24 ft carolina skiff and loves it. He has had it about 15 months and has 350 hours on it.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

There are a lot of guys here, including me, that would be ecstatic to have put 100 hrs on their boat during Dec. and Jan.


Keep up the good "work".

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Snoozer,

Don't baby that engine too much. Running at WOT allows the engine to properly seat the rings. The engines that come in to my shop with the most problems are engines that are used for a lot of trolling and hardly ever see WOT. All 4 strokes will "make oil" to some degree or another (Yammies, which I absolutely love, are somewhat notorious for that) and engines that are never opened up will make more than those that are run at WOT on a regular basis. I'm not saying to beat the crap out of your engine but don't go the other way either and take it easy thinking that you are being gentle on you engine.

By the way, what prop are you running on that? I just repowered a V20 with a 140 Zuke and I need a good prop stating place.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

He says back on 1st page it's a 14 x 18 ... ;) ...appears to be 3-blade SS ;D ...

Re: Suzuki 140
 

After running mine, the 14X19 works great and it could use a 14X20 to bring down the rpms a little. *I turned 6400 @ wot, assuming the tach is accurate, recommended is 5800-6200 @ wot. That got me 35 mph GPS measured.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Keep in mind that ALUMINUM props tend to turn more RPM's than STAINLESS props of the same pitch. Aluminum props flex at higher RPM's and lose some pitch.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Maybe I just need a 19 Stainless. Well, I don't need anything, but maybe that's what I'll pick up if I run accross a cheep one.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

Diameter and blade style also play a HUGE role. I've run several different 19 pitch props on my COBRA, and all with different results. I've run a 4 blade powertech that was 13 3/8"X19X4 and it hit 5200 with light trim and reached 48MPH(had it up to 5600 with alot of trim but the boat became uncontrollable beyond 53MPH). An aluminum prop that was 13 3/8X19X3 and it would turn right up to the 6100 limiter and only hit 40MPH. I've got a 14X19X3 aluminum that turns 6700RPM's and reach's 45MPH. My current VIPIR now turns 5600RPM's and tops out at 52-53MPH, but it would hit 51-52MPH @6100RPM's(rev limiter is 6100RPM's) before being rebuilt. There is no exact science to picking a prop, but through the dozens(and I do mean dozens) of props I've been through. You can't go wrong with a MICHIGAN MATCH ALUMINUM for all around durability and price.

Re: Suzuki 140
 

On my last trip out I was able to run with just me in the boat and about 15 gal. of gas, she hit 40 mph @ around 6500 rpm.......I am just guessing on the rpm cause my tach only goes to 6K.