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I CAN COVER THE MOLD COST - WHO'S IN?
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Stinky has the ideal hull to use for the mold IMHO. Its all slicked up and already flipped over 8)
Stinky, you gonna donate your "baby"? You can have her back you know. And a twin sister to boot ;D |
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MJ, I've got a floor tank and two in deck fish boxes. So does fillet from what I remember of his pics. One tank is cheaper than three and less to break too.
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Thats new in the 86, cause are 70's don't have them!
Were is the tank?? what size are your floor tanks?? What size gas tank? |
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Under the center console, *80 gallon tank. For the new model I mean
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MJ, I like the 60gal fuel tank forward it helps me plane out faster. RAP I think we could design our own cap because if Franco wants real scuppers we gotta bring the floor up a little and that would bring up the cap the same so you have the same gunwale height. How about a molded and plumbed live well/ cooler. That has a removable cushion behind one of the chairs, and tackle storage behind the other. Stretch the hull out to 23' still trailerable and alittle more fishable with a 200 hp motor. I bet I could build one for about $10,000
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It's 60 gallons MJ and it's located between the helm seat and the port side lounge. Never seen it though, I'm scared to look down there what with all the foam issues raised on this page ;).
I'm not sure exactly what size the fish boxes are. The one in the middle could easily hold a few cases of beer and lots of ice. The one aft is round and could probably hold one less case of beer and two less bags of ice than the one amidships. ..... of course I'm speaking hypothetically here ;). oh yeah, and i've heard mine aren't insulated either so you have to drink the beer fast to keep ahead of ice meltage |
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Obviously there are many, many design details gotta be worked out here, but I really like the idea of a large insulated plumbed baitwell built into one side of the the full transom...with a big insulated cooler w/ drain built into the other side...both with lids that DON'T LEAK....
The idea of stretchin' the hull and makin' her a little longer sounds good...somehow "V22" has a nice ring to it... ;D... But one thing...this is a LONG-TERM project...if we expect quick results, we're gonna be disappointed...does anybody know of any "drawing" programs that would enable us to start putting some of these great ideas into scale so we can see what's gonna fit and how best to lay this puppy out?... |
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RAP, You can do alot of drawing on plain old microsoft publisher. With a little practice. 3D drawings would be tough though. I think the best way is to get a hull take a blank off of it and cut out the transom of the blank, stretch and shape it. Frame up around her and start laying the glass to it. The first hull off of it will need some grinding and shaping, but with anything you work out the bugs. I like that V22 sound.
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hey RAP, I just downloaded a cad program, I'll get my kid to shop me how to use it. He took mechanical drawing in college. At least he has a clue
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What gets me is that the v20 is a perfect boat, Think about it. Why would anyone discountinue it was a bad call. its like when your working for a company and everything is going good then they hire some college guy to change things.he starts to change things , it doesnt matter if it turns out good or bad he cant go in there and say hey guys you dont need me everything is good so what he does is take the v20 and says we are no longer going to sell that boat because the people dont want that design anny more well i got one thing to say to that guy,,,,,,**** YOU ******* YOU DONT KNOW ****,,,,and that my friends says it all.Thank you steplift20, and as you can see by my name ....I LOVE MY 1978 STEPLIFT CUDDY WITH THE 150 MERCURY OUTBOARD. thanks guys, hey who knows maybe some day we will all meet at atlantic hightlands nj for a steplift shootout fluke or blues tornament, sounds good to me. latter
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Vic and Franco...thanks, Guys...I'll take a look at MS Publisher and Franco, let me know what you turn up...
labii said something above re Wellcraft's molds...Hmmm...wonder what they're reaction might be if we approached them about usin' them for "LIMITED" production?... Haven't spent time around V20 w/ scuppers...am I gettin' the idea Wellcraft didn't set the floor high enough above water-line for scuppers to drain fully? Do they generally work or we gotta modify?... |
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Relax steplift20!! You are going to blow a gasket!!
Like with everything, Time goes on and with time taste change! Theres no doubt that these are great boats!! And I am sure that Wellcraft knows it also! But for Wellcraft to stay in the game they have to give the boaters what they want, and at a good price. Today boats are lighter, faster, sleeker, and to do this they have to change alot of things!! People want bait tanks, seats, molded this and that and to do it for a good price they have to cut something else?? These new boats are going with composit fillers that are much easier and cheaper then to have some guy hand laying fiberglass. I don't blame Wellcraft for it one bit!! Its the boaters them self. They asked for and they got the new boats of today, for better or worse. We are just a hand full of guys that love what we have and would like to keep them around for a long time to come, But for a big company they can't cater to a small group! They will go out of bissnes real fast! My boat is 30 years old, and if they sold new boats, to let say the 300+ members here and they lasted 30 years what would they do? I don't no if this idea of building are own boats will ever fly?? But if it does it will be a great way to sell a new boat to people that want to have a soild fiberglass hull! But it all comes down to cost!! If you can't do it cheap anough it won't sell! And getting started with a $3000 mold is just the tip of the iceburg!! Theres a long long long way to go before this ever ever gets going! I hope for all those who want to do it, they some how can! But the odds are aganist it! |
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MJ, you crusty old so&so&so&so...when you're right, you're right...am I right?...chances of one of these hulls ever seein' light of day are 50/50 at best, but it's created a lotta buzz and gotten some GREAT ideas flowin'...personally, I believe it'll happen...but not in an instant...if several of us were in the same town w/NOTHING else to do, then instant...how did the man eat the elephant?...ONE bite at the time!... ;) ;D...
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Hey guys, Let me put my two cents in. I'm a custom woodworker by trade. Been in it for 11 years as an independant. It seems everytime someone tells me that something will be too expensive and nobody will pay the price, its always the opposite. Think about it this way. If people want average stuff there is plenty out there. If there is a small market for upscale boats, the only ones that will have them are the porche, and mercedes guys. They buy them for their handling and the prestige of having one. Its like buying a Grady, or a Harley. If we do it right to the last screw, and sell one to some wealthy guy. He'll tell some people and it'll definately be seen, because nobody buys nice stuff without showing it to someone, and a fad will be started. The phone will ring off the hook. Nobody will have time to go fishing because of working on building boats and then take the company public and retire in the keys with Hatteras's. 8) Well maybe V35's
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Don't know about those porsche guys, but I want one. :) :D ;D
Brand spankin new with so much gloss that I need sunglasses and the cockpit seating and tackle lockers that I design :) :D ;D |
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VIC...YOU A GENUS!!!...you hit the nail right smack on the head...that's the "nitch" market I refered to earlier that'll buy this boat...IF we do it right with QUALITY in mind...
From a design standpoint, I keep thinkin' 60% of the width of the full transom can be plumbed baitwell(25-30 gals) w/ remaining 40% insulated cooler...insulated fish-box in floor ahead of transom w/ 60 gal belly tank forward of that...port-side dash has chart-holder and MJ/CB-Style tackle drawers, starboard dash is large, open and ample FLAT surface for mounting electronics... All this and more based on a 22' version of a late 80s/early 90s cuddy w/ flotation aluminum bracket...MAX HP...250 CC version has tackle drawers in port side of console w/ chart-holder under electronics bow(hinged and drops down for viewing), door on starboard console for access... For THOUGHT...it seems to me that most CC's consoles are too far aft and kill more space where you need it in back of boat....sooooo, I propose our CC has the console farther forward than is typical to open the space to fight the fish...not TOO FAR, but some... QUALITY w/out COMPRIMISE... |
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Hello Guys,
Let me know if I can help. Hatteras Yachts is located in my home town and Grady White is 45 miles away. I'm sure I can find someone that can spray gelcoat or Awlgrip (use to be Imron) the big boys are using awlgrip over gelcoat at this point. Consider me in on your initial investment up to $2000, as long as the wife doesn't know who cares! MOD |
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Well now, there you go...thanks , Cruiser...I guess that's a next step...PLEDGES...
I recall Franco saying he could cover cost of a mold(hope he wasn't just joshin')...and several guys sayin they were in... At this point we don't need the $$$, rather get an idea of REALISTICLY how much we can gather...if we have a sum of money to draw from, it will hopefully spark interest from other areas and demonstrate we are serious about this project... So as not to put undue pressure on anyone, PLEDGES to my PM...not amounts you'd like to contribute, but amounts you really can invest in this project... Post here that you have made a PLEDGE to my PM...no amount too small and certainly none too BIG... :o... Let's see what we can do... ;D... |
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I'm still in, I have a small retirement account I have to transfer soon, I'm willing to gamble with some of it. I could afford to cough up $3,000 to $5,000 in this venture. But we gotta do some serious planning. We goota come up with a wish list on stuff for the boat, decide on materials ( type of cloth, resin, core material, etc) and then develop a business plan. We can start a small corp and own shares based on each persons investment. lETS DO THIS
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Well first lets Incorporate. 8) Then we will sell actuall shares to those who want to invest. Then we will really knows whos in. ::) Hopefully we have a CPA on the board here. He can keep us out of trouble. :-* Then we can find a cheap place to manufacture, ;) and then get started. Or maybe we start garage style. Then out grow it. You know all the corporate fishing trips and oceanographic research may take alot of our profits. :) In the begining. :D
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Vic...there you go w/ the word CHEAP...it'll KILL this project... ;) :)...ECONOMICAL...that's what we gotta be thinkin'....no CHEAP...
Anyway, you're right about we gotta find a place to manufacture...several posts back, someone mentioned Eastern North Carolina's mfgring of boats...Gradys, etc...I got to thinkin' that there are probably retired guys in that area who used to work for those mfgrs or that have left those companys for other reasons, but have the knowledge and skills to layup a bullet-proof, no cracks hull...the GOOD STUFF... ;D... Is there anyone in that area who can do some nosin' around and see if we can locate our man?... |
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I was nosing sround looking for boat builders that could do our project, nothing yet but this link looked interesting:
http://www.polyumac.com/home2.htm |
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Franco, you're readin' my mind...seems to me w/ all the alternatives to wood these days, why use it?...my cut at it would be to go wood-free throughout the hull...
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Wood free is the only way to go!! I would not want it any other way!
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MJ, looked pretty sunny in the no-wax photos from earlier...winter still hangin' around up there?...
MJ endorsed...no wood...how can you fight w/ that?... Hey, MJ...4 more posts and you'll have as many posts as the year model of your boat...has anybody else done THAT?... :o... |
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Does Ray Hunt have any grand-children?
I'm in NC, I know a guy that used to lay up boats. I'll ask him if he knows any old codgers like the one's we're lookin for. |
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Patience,Mac...you'll get there... :)...
Yeah if we can find someone who's been in the business of layin' up hulls we can sure call on his experience... 8)... Congrats, MJ!... |
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Wow, I typed a long response to this thread yesterday and forgot to post it!
There are lots of boatbuilding folks up here in Jersey. Viking, Egg Harbor, Cavileer, Henriques, Post, Ocean Yachts, Topaz, Silverhawk (sold to topaz?) Pacemaker (defunct) Jersey, True World Marine (Moonies!!) etc etc. I believe the Old Pacemaker plant is used by independent manufacturers - I think Jersey Devil 36 used to be built there. My suggestions for a new V-20 would be: Make the hull a little "Taller" above the waterline. This way the decks can be higher which will allow for larger real scuppers that will drain overboard. The layup of the hull should have no wood and have a heavy layup schedule. Blackfin -like. Heavy, solid wave smashing hull. Big cleats, heavy bowrail, Hawsepipes in corners of transom. The gunnels will have to be wider and overhang the cockpit. Gasketed hatches with gutters wiith drains. Macerator for the fish box. I like the older style hulls better in the looks department. (Although a carolina shear line would be cool!) |
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Wow, I typed a long response to this thread yesterday and forgot to post it!
Oh wow, Man, I've done that... That'd be great if we could keep older style (early 70s) and upgrade to taller sides and beefier gunwales... |
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Maybe we shoud thro $20.00 each in a pot and buy some lottery tickets 400 plus members times 20 bucks is $8,000.00 dollars worth of lottery tickets - couple of million dollars should get the project going strong
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I'm for it...need to lay down some guidelines, like 1st mil goes to boat then divide remainder equally among participants...which lottery?...do you wanna handle it?...if not, and nobody else, then I'll do it... ;)...
Great idea, Franco...it's a LONG shot, but it's A shot... :o... |
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I COULD DO IT NO PROBLEM, WE COULD DO THE FLORIDA LOTTERY HERE - BUY IT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, MAYBE A WHOLE YEAR OR SO
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Franco...I guess start a thread tellin' the guys what we wanna do...I'd suggest following Chesapeake's lead on t-shirt payment...post on board, then follow-up on PM...whatever winnings, if any, 1st priority is to the boat and overage is split equaly among donors...Florida Lottery...any other details?...
might wanna see how much actually comes in b4 deciding over how many weeks we buy... |
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GOOD IDEA - WILL WORK ON THE DETAILS TONIGHT WHEN I GET HOME FROM WORK
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