Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246162)

What I understand is also clear - I***8217;m FACT based .
Like trump lost the election - FACT
That Trump lies by claiming he won by wide margin - a LIE and FACT
That the majority of Americans are pro choice - FACT

Your constant pursuit to discredit me is really because you prefer not to face the truth and facts. Rather you write elaborate ***8220; opinion pieces ***8220; .

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246183)

Hmmm... okay, lets see.....

1) Trump lost the election. Yes, true. So we both agree on that. However, you think the election was fair, while I do not.

2) If Trump really believes that he won the 3lection that's not lying. Since he was not able to bring his claim to court the validity of his claim is still unknown.

3) The majority of Americans are pro-Choice. Also true. But that proves nothing. We (America) do not rule by majority. Fortunately, we never have.

4) I do not try and discredit you because I prefer not to face facts and truth. I do however, try to correct the mistruths that you constantly interject in your posts.

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246192)

Destroyer says “ he corrects the mistruths “ - WRONG already.
Trump DID bring his case to MANY courts - all thrown out for lack of evidence.

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246201)

MOST of the suits were thrown out due to stature of limitations having expired. In all cases, since they never came to court the validity or falseness of his (Trumps) suit(s) remains unresolved and still open to debate.

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246216)

Hahahahaa dream on destroyer . Great Aerosmith song.
Trumps vote suits thrown out of courts for lack of evidence .
Trumps election audits re confirmed he lost .
Trumps taped phone voice trying to bully Georgia lawmakers to come up with votes he didnt have - all part of history now .

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246235)

Whatever you say.... :you:

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246248)

Cartoons - when you’ve got nothing and my facts are correct .

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246274)

:you:

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246284)

Exactly -nothing but excuses, denial, and cartoons from destroyer.

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246302)

Debating with you is almost a useless endeavor but I try. Sometimes however, it's just easier to laugh at your remarks, hence the laughing emoji.

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246307)

There’s no “ debate “ to the TRUTH of what happened destroyer .
FACTS still matter to many Americans .

Trumps vote suits thrown out of courts for lack of evidence .
Trumps election audits re confirmed he lost .
Trumps taped phone voice trying to bully Georgia lawmakers to come up with votes he didnt have - all part of history now .

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246328)

All part of your distorted, fractured, misrepresented history. Not the real one. You find one little thing that is true and you pick at just that part without looking at the overall truth. That's your problem. You miss the overall point. It's also why you're a terrible debater. You're more like a boxer in the ring, you swing wildly at anything that you think will score points. Problem is, most times you hit below the belt, which is why you keep loosing the debate.

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246337)

Bla bla bla destroyer - your “know it all “ attitude is irrelevant.

I’m not debating with you - I post the FACTS and the TRUTHS that you deny and spin into nonsense . I have no interest in debating anything with you.

This threads originally about the future of abortion rights . I’m pro choice along with the majority of Americans .

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246354)

Of course you cannot debate me. In a battle of wits, you're unarmed. All you can do is mock anyone that disagrees with you and repeat your same old lines over and over.

You post what YOU think are facts and truth, but they rarely bear any resemblance to the actual fact or truth. Even your "I'm pro-choice" comment is a misrepresentation.

Why don't you call it what it really is?

You're pro-murder of innocent unborn children.

It's funny that you are SOOOOO concerned over a few thousand people dying from this latest strain of Covid, but you turn a blind eye while over 62 million babies have been murdered. Sacrificed on the alter of "convenience".

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246362)

Pro choice destroyer

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246378)

Pro-MURDER BGreene

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246486)

Choice is still the law of our land

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246499)

True, but that doesn't change what an abortion is. It's murder. legal yes, for now, but still murder.

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246506)

Only if you believe “a human “ is alive at conception.


Destoyer - if you REALLY had interest in political discussions you’d write your own threads.
But you’re not - you just feel DESPERATE need to try to cover for the lying cheating con man traitor trump. I write facts and the truth - which you just rush to whitewash because you know you’ve been wrong all along.

So write your own political thread and ILL respond advising if it’s factual …..or however I choose to reply.

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246512)

You wrote:
Prove to me that it's not. Left alone, that conception will normally become a human being, it will age, it will produce progeny and it will die. Abortions interrupt the natural order of things. In all cases more and more scientists are now saying that life does, indeed, begin at conception. As soon as the first cell divides into two, because each one of those two cells carries the complete DNA to make a human being.

As to your comment about you writing facts and truth, no, you write garbage. Your idea of a discussion is to make a usually outlandish statement, and after you're proven false you just shift the dialog to something else. That's how you got the nickname "Shifty".

Lastly, I don't whitewash anything. I just point out the obvious factual misrepresentations in your posts. When you're right (rarely) I agree with you. When you're not I disagree. And as I said in another post you made, where you repeated this same garbage, the reason for all topics in this forum is to invite discussion. That means one person starts a thread, and other people can comment on it, either agreeing with or disagreeing with what has been written. Do you really believe that you just make a post and no one can comment on what you write? You cannot be that misinformed. But in case you are, reread what I just wrote. if you make a post, you should expect other people to comment on it.

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246536)

You’re comments to try and minimize the historic, violent trump supporter attack on our Capitol
proves you’re just throwing denials and disinformation …..not much more.
Typical trumper

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 246574)

What in the world does that have to do with Roe vs Wade? Your train jumped off the tracks again.

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Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 246591)

Destroyer - you’re clearly obsessed with me - checking on my background - what I do for a living etc ….. your doctor would likely suggest you stay off this site for a while and take up basket weaving

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 245601)

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose to have an abortion without excessive government restriction.


Decision to uphold likely due by June 2022

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 249436)

I'm not going to go into the motivation for the unprecedented leak at this time.

But this is a decent overview of Alito's draft opinion, despite being posted at Politico.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...sages-00029470

I am cautiously optimistic.

Originally Posted by scook (Post 249445)

A start would be to address the hideous adoption process. Our family’s experience is that with many multiple thousands of dollars into the process, attempting to adopt (and getting very close - one baby actually in the care of the family members and then taken back from the adoptive dad’s arms by a social,worker) both were reverted back to pretty irresponsible mothers. It was a gut wrenching, horrible experience, trying to adopt and give a good life to these two babies of color. Then thousands more into the process, miraculously, a baby was able to be adopted and he’s an absolute joy to all of our family. I think the whole thing took three or four years, took north of $65k and was an extremely emotionally abusive process. Fortunately, there were lots of donations of resources and a lot of people praying and giving active support through the process.

I’d suggest working to make that process something that normal people with normal financial resources can actually have a chance of accomplishing before thinking that killing babies (people) is an OK thing to do as a usual and customary way of dealing with the problem.

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249444)

And who’s going to adopt all the low income babies born of the poor that can’t afford travel to states allowing abortion ? You pipe dream ? And these unfortunate poor babies will grow up as addition drain on the economy - likely having poor babies again themselves . You going to pay more for welfare ?

Originally Posted by Pipe_Dream (Post 249448)

"Drain on the economy?"
Life begins at conception according to scientific consensus. Every life is precious, even an unwanted life.

Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 249477)

The MAJORITY of Americans ( 65-70 % consistently ) DO NOT want Roe-Wade overturned.

The Republicans under Trump stacked the Supreme Court to over ride the Will of Americans.

This is FACT.

Originally Posted by scook (Post 249516)

First, what you refer to is absolutely a legal opinion. There is no stated right to privacy, per se, but yes, it can be reasonably inferred from the 4th and 5th amendments, where it’s a reasonable application.

Your argument is what the left has come up with to discredit the decision. The problem with the argument is that it conflates the “right” to kill babies (if they aren’t yet viable outside the womb) with unreasonable search and seizure and self incrimination. A logical progression of that reasoning is that when grandpa gets to where he needs help getting his food, maybe bathing and dressing (even though he’s still a vital source of wisdom for his adoring grandchildren), if he’s too much trouble, kill him.

The destruction of reasonable privacy protection by this ruling is an argument by liberals to try to gain support for resistance - fomenting panic in their base to motivate them.