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phatdaddy 08-20-2019 08:52 AM

very impressive build. imagine how easy that would have been for wellcraft to do 30 or 40 years ago.

thanks for the photos and detailed descriptions

SkunkBoat 08-20-2019 02:46 PM

love watching this stuff.:clap:

Myfathersson 08-20-2019 08:23 PM

And here's the bilge drain sleeve all cleaned up on the inside.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...gmOIpcOahZFZTo

Then my friendly UPS driver backed all the way up into my driveway to help me B.O.A.T.:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...risH0ZssX05oTE

13.3 gallons of epoxy, more Cabosil, microbeads and gel colorant, and 40 yds of 17oz biax. I think that'll be the biggest single ticket order until I get to replacing the leaning post, adding a t-top and whatever I decide to to with the outboard.

Made up a mount to hold one of my high power laser pointers for laying out the stringers, then after the underwhelming storms powered through I power washed the whole thing. Could've gone a little lower on the drain hole but it's still much better than it was originally. Right now I'm just glad to have all the current grinding dust washed out for the next step. Cheers!:beer:

Blue_Runner 08-21-2019 01:27 PM

I'm amazed at the progress you've made. Can't wait to see splashdown. I tip my hat to you sir!

Myfathersson 08-21-2019 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue_Runner (Post 238936)
I'm amazed at the progress you've made. Can't wait to see splashdown. I tip my hat to you sir!

Thank you! I'm really looking forward to the forecast break in the heat that's supposed to come tomorrow night, That will make throwing the bunny suit on to continue grinding a lot more bearable! As I marked out rough lines on the hull for stringers tonight I decided I didn't grind out far enough for the tabbing to come, and circled a few spots that I want to add a little glass to for reinforcing. Time to order up more grinding discs!

Myfathersson 08-21-2019 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phatdaddy (Post 238933)
very impressive build. imagine how easy that would have been for wellcraft to do 30 or 40 years ago.

thanks for the photos and detailed descriptions

Agreed! Especially with plenty of supplies at the ready, very little extra material or labor would've been involved! But I guess then they wouldn't be able to sell you another one quite as soon...

Myfathersson 08-21-2019 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat (Post 238934)
love watching this stuff.:clap:

Thank you! I'm glad my contributions are being enjoyed!

Myfathersson 08-24-2019 07:05 PM

Yesterday evening after work I took advantage of the drop in temp to climb in the suit and cut a bit. Got the sole partially stripped. As expected all of the plywood was rotten and delaminating.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...8SPcLqUULlAout

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...H55It0iiGiiRWs

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...WjWdMWcpPfhkIV

And then today I stripped a little more before deciding the wind was too high to cut and grind without perturbing the neighbors. So once I power washed the cap down I pulled out the stringer stock and started on the stringers. I started with my laser pointer setup to get my heights:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d..._om84H4L7E0RKk

Look close and you can make out the green dot back on the transom:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...72E12hYw4yZpzu

I set the height by a couple of strings through screw holes in the hull transposed from their matching holes in the cap where I measured precisely to the underside of the sole, and compared it with my records of dimensions before cutting the stringers out:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...H4TJutGm2dqza8

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...k5dF6bxr8L9QTW

Took new measurements from the hull to line and transposed those new dimensions onto the stringer stock:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...fFauMjWtVr1Dxl

And traced the tail and utility cutout profiles from the original stringer shells:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...M3zvet0wzeId3-

Cut carefully and set it in place for a test fit:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...BNUYAVEYMrzB5C

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...LPpbNdfrTwRG7i

Measured to make sure I had the right offset from the reference laser line, made a few adjustments and then repeated for the starboard side. Voila - two accurate fit stringers:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...1hCFW9Ewd0k0tQ

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...RlKIx0UK280qi3

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...ycO7dl18zJiq_B

Then carried each one downstairs to the router table and put a 1/4" radius along the top edge to ease wrapping the 17oz biax around the profile:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...e1_9Jg5nw0x_kb

Tomorrow I hope the weather (specifically the wind) cooperates to let me grind and wash down the hull so that I can proceed to bedding these two in place.

Myfathersson 08-31-2019 09:21 PM

Hoping this is a VERY productive Labor Day Weekend here. Here's what I was up to this week.

Took the stringers back down into the shop and worked on glassing the curved features on them. Glad I elected to do it in the comfort of the shop instead of in place. I was able to experiment and get a feel for how to conform to the curves. First one wasn't the prettiest and required lots of additional sanding but it is covered. Here's the second one where I started to get the hang of the right approach. Still room for improvement:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...3r9ShufsbmIRYs

Yes - the shop needs for it to rain one day (or 7...) so I can straighten things up - it's even more disorganized than what you can see in these photos.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...2SHEzgrrFt2SNS

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...5HR_tEWwsY6qCh

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...eYkpASuF_9aaM4

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Nwa5N-Uz_vAAuC

Then spent a night sanding them clean. With that out of the way I laid them in the hull, aligned the top edges and tacked them in place with peanut butter.

Came back the next night, lightly sanded the tacks and filleted them in 100%:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...SnHnWWQB4883fh

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...pAMkUZ0IwdxGuT

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...jwPlTJuozOfx_g

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...emq5UGVFgi461V

The boards clamped in place aren't the bulkheads, just spacers to align the tops and spacing and keep everything parallel:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...CvSTthJDXt6b3a

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...BVUtVipbm-AKif

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...oCrDfE2ibeV8pt

That wrapped up the work week. This morning I took a 90 mile road trip and snagged a new (to me) tandem axle trailer:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...NkTDASXyfWyNaw

Might have to make a small adjustment to the bow roller and winch mount but other than that it is sound and pulled like a feather on the drive home. Brakes on both axles and the bunks and carpet are in great shape for a salvage yard find. Just need to get 2 new tires.

Once I got back to Louisville I dove into sanding the fillets in preparation for glassing. I've been watching Boat Works Today videos on youtube and Andy recommended a handheld belt sander. He uses a Makita that retails for around $250. I couldn't (at the time) justify that pricetag so I snagged a smaller Wen off Amazon for about $35. I gotta say - this is an EXTREMELY versatile tool. Made easy work of sanding the fillets and tight areas between the stringers and strakes a relative breeze. If you're thinking about tackling a project like this I can't recommend one of these highly enough. The only draw back to this is the belt being so narrow makes it wear pretty quick. The dust collection isn't perfect but it's leaps and bounds better than using the grinder, and removes material almost as effectively. I just might pull the trigger on that Makita in the near future to get a little wider belt and larger radius on the head:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...QnKjrVMZQnzj8M

They're all sanded, vacuumed and washed down now:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...G2g63xQ6lOg7D5

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...ufaf3q6zyjfz1L

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...kglLh894wj8n3j

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...kEpAzUUE6YzDS7

Tomorrow morning I'll start cutting my sections of biax to prep for glassing. My goal is to get the starboard side glassed in tomorrow. If things go smoothly the port too, but I'm not holding my breath! I've slightly modified my layup plans. I had grand plans to do the whole length in a single piece but I think now that the time is nigh that plan was a wee bit overzealous for my experience level. So instead I'm doing 50x50 sections, overlapping the joints and staggering the layers.

Hope everyone else is enjoying their long weekend, hopefully out on the water, or like me - watching the long awaited triumphant return of college football - especially the University of Michigan! GO BLUE! HAIL HAIL!

Myfathersson 09-01-2019 08:49 PM

Suffice to say I am exhausted. Took a long time and a nudge from my brother in Ohio to decide to have a margarita and some dinner instead of just going to bed. 12 1/2 hours, 6 gallons of epoxy and 22 yards of glass later the stringers are laminated.

I made up a rod holder on the side of my gantry to hold the rolls of glass, and set up one of the sheets of plywood that's waiting to be used for the bulkheads as a cut table early this morning.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...gBpICo_M5LXt7V

Felt like home ec class 30+ years ago all over again.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...oENPFDch1p9xkQ

I started off trying to use rollers and smoked a couple batches of epoxy and trashed a roller frame so was in and out of the hull more than anticipated. The result...there might be a bit of grass laminated in the bilge... Threw down a layer of plastic which helped that, but unfortunately it liked to slide around on the excess epoxy draining out and to my shoes which have a nice healthy coat. A word to the wise - don't wear slip on shoes when epoxying - they might be convenient but when they get sticky they tend to slip off just as easily as they slip on!

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...-SeIK7hGeviwgn

But I got it done, including a layer of 1708 down the keel/bilge.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...7sMmPu2GviWuzg

Left a little tag for whoever pulls this hull apart next:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...NZzCNWdrcLZMBu

That's a lot of epoxy...and based on the estimation from West Systems' page I only exceeded the estimate by a quarter gallon - and based on the smoked batches I tossed - I'd say it was spot on.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...OX674Tk0Uklq5U

I know the layup isn't perfect - there are bubbles and I'm going to have to either drill and pump in a fill or grind and reglass a few spots on the fillets. I think the heat was too much today for this epoxy formulation - they laid down flat but then it really seemed like once they started to gel the whole lamination shrank. If I were to ever do this again (highly unlikely! LOL) I would laminate up each side of the stringer and then cap the top instead of trying to do a full wrap from tab to tab. Hindsight is 20/20. Should've followed the process so many others have used.

Tomorrow will be a well deserved day of relaxation. All I plan to do is pull the 2 worn tires off the new trailer and maneuver the trailer into the back yard so I can unhook it from the truck and then cut the grass. Happy Labor Day y'all!

Greg

Slightly_Twisted 09-02-2019 01:26 AM

:beer:
Wow you have made a ton of progress!
I can’t believe you got both glassed in.

What was your final layer up schedule?

Nice job!

Myfathersson 09-02-2019 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slightly_Twisted (Post 238984)
:beer:
Wow you have made a ton of progress!
I can’t believe you got both glassed in.

What was your final layer up schedule?

Nice job!

My body requires ibuprofen today! Thanks for the compliment. Final schedule is 2 layers of 17oz biax tabbed 10" onto the hull, with a layer of 1708 biax 38" wide down the keel which rolls up just to the top of the fillets. Original lamination was 0.0823" thick on the 24oz roving, my two layers yielded 0.0878" so it's at least as stout as what Wellcraft laid in there 32 years ago. The bulkheads down the keel will get the same treatment of 2 layers of 17oz, the side wings I only plan on a single layer.

Still need to order the fuel tank, figure out how I'm going to secure it, and decide if I'm replacing the foam or not. Might grab a dry chunk and figure out exactly what density it was to help calm my concerns that it might have had some structural value.

Slightly_Twisted 09-02-2019 11:42 AM

Nice yeah if your at the same thickness and you have 100% incapsulated the wood I would agree you are all set. Realistically the only reason they fail is water intrusion, if you really take your time a seal it it will last a life time.

For the tank I’m planning on no foam. The aluminum ones need air flow or they will pit and fail. I’m going with something close to this video. Over all a good install OTHER then I have not idea why he doesn’t seal the screws into the stringers!! To me that is a failure waiting for water intrusion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8m0sVshBrXQ.

The poly tanks I’m no export on but I would think it would be no different. as along as it’s well supported on the sides and bottom.

SkunkBoat 09-02-2019 12:50 PM

About V20 foamed-in fuel tanks...

The fuel tank space was a sealed compartment. There was a pvc pipe to allow water to pass from fwd to aft bilge. The deck hatch was meant to be sealed watertight. Any water that got into that space stayed there.

You have to decide if you are going to make it a bilge space or seal it.

If you foam it you have to make it sealed with a pvc pipe. Foaming has the advantage of easily securing the tank without brackets. Of course, we know the problem of foam and aluminum tanks.
I foamed in a new aluminum tank because(at the time) I could not find a correct plastic tank with fittings in the same place and workable dimensions. I do believe there is a 55 gal Moeller tank out there that is correct.
I think a foamed plastic tank in a sealed compartment is the best solution.

oh, be careful if you find a plastic tank. New design tanks are not vented per EPA rules. You need a vented tank ...or you need to figure out what extra parts are required to use a non-vented tank.
Also, I worry that non-vented tanks expand and contract quite a bit so foaming may be a problem.

If you go with an open bilge space you will have standing bilge water under the tank and often touching the tank. You will have to hang the tank from your new stringers with bolts.(drill holes!!!)that's 360+ pounds

As for foam in the space outside the stringers I think it will deaden the sound and make it feel much more solid. Same with the foamed tank. Of course, it will be safer also.

Oh, plan on installing a forward bilge pump. You have the opportunity to plumb the hose out the side!

SkunkBoat 09-02-2019 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slightly_Twisted (Post 238987)
I’m going with something close to this video. Over all a good install OTHER then I have not idea why he doesn’t seal the screws into the stringers!! To me that is a failure waiting for water intrusion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8m0sVshBrXQ.

:head:
don't like it. That tank is sitting in bilge water. That matting is holding water and whatever crap ends up in the bilge.
don't like it at all....

Myfathersson 09-02-2019 03:21 PM

Just to clarify - I am NOT considering foaming the tank in. Hazard of mentioning two independent thoughts in one paragraph :)

I am going to go with a poly tank - a Moeller FOLT5007 - https://www.oceanlinkinc.com/product...0-25-folt5007/ I have a gameplan of how I'm going to mount it, but waiting to detail the method until I have it in hand. I may wait to do the tank till spring. Not sure yet.

The foam I was referring to is the flotation foam down the side cavities either side of the stringers. If I'm gonna do it, best to do it while I've got it in 2 pieces. Just struggling with the decision either way.

Slightly_Twisted 09-03-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkunkBoat (Post 238990)
:head:
don't like it. That tank is sitting in bilge water. That matting is holding water and whatever crap ends up in the bilge.
don't like it at all....

Just rewatched the video. Skunk you are 100% correct. I totally missed he didn’t have a sealed compartment. Thanks for correction!

Myfathersson 09-05-2019 05:52 PM

Took advantage of a light schedule and the lowest forecast temps for the next 10 days and jumped in the tyvek suit and ground down the sole today. It's now ready to be re-cored. (Any of the darker areas are just moist from the power wash post grinding).

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Or-quE0_ZcmcQB

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...CQyA7sLJsIwJBJ

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...PxqnMH3gniCgma

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...4y7qbN0raO5hcC

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...74RmZYBntLu0Oq

And before I was ready to start grinding (didn't wanna wake up any late sleeping neighbors) I got all the wing templates made from lightweight cardboard. And I scuffed up the new glass in the hull to receive the tabbing for the wings and bulkheads.

Have a company picnic this weekend so I'll infill smaller pockets of time with cutting the wings and bulkheads out from the sheet and prepping the pieces of 1/2" for the sole. Getting closer to slapping the two halves back together!

(Prayers that I measured accurately and they actually fit together after all this would be GREATLY appreciated LOL)

Myfathersson 09-07-2019 07:02 PM

Only had a part day today due to a picnic. So got out early this morning, turned on College Gameday and started cutting out the wings and bulkheads:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...BeMH_luvAXZjSR

And voila:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...ZXhzx6nZvx9MY6

Still need to finesse a few of the wings and make sure the tops are colinear across the stringers, and form the bottom edge of the bulkheads - decided it was a waste of cardboard to template those.

Then with the spare sheet of 3/4 ply out of the way I grabbed the 1/2 ply and started on the sole:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...tHsjFE8ycpl95G

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...31FxJO6jEh5zpN

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...lIHnxTXcMHi3Cz

And then this evening after the picnic, I gulped a few ibuprofen thanks to the last roller coaster ride I took, and made up a kraft paper template of the foredeck. I'm debating using 3/4" for that for a couple reasons - #1 I have an extra sheet, but I look to be 1/2 sheet shy on 1/2", and #2 - I think it won't hurt with as unsupported as that area is. Going to sleep on it and decide tomorrow when I dig back in.

scook 09-07-2019 11:32 PM

You’ve been doing some nice looking work and your posts are excellent. It looks like you’re not a stranger to carpentry:clap:

Myfathersson 09-08-2019 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scook (Post 239020)
You’ve been doing some nice looking work and your posts are excellent. It looks like you’re not a stranger to carpentry:clap:

Thank you! And certainly not a stranger to carpentry.

Myfathersson 09-08-2019 06:22 PM

Got the rest of the core pieces I'm going to focus on before winter knocked out today. The foredeck - which I decided to do out of 1/2" cut from the kraft paper templates I made last night:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...bKi40DmB4JLtTB

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...gKmuH3FJGxrl2L

I'll have to get another sheet of 1/2" ply for the tank cover panel and the two gunnel fishing pole covers this winter.

Then massaged all the wings and bulkheads for a perfect fit. Those pieces are down in the workshop now and ready to get their rounded over tops and the limber passageways glassed over:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d..._wddoDb3mcSBoI

Lesson learned on the stringers. I'll glass the top edge roundovers and then just carry my tabbing up the sides to overlap the edge of that skin. I'll tackle that evenings after work this week. With the sun being down by 8pm now, finally having tasks of a scale that I can do in the shop is nice.

Should be really easy to then cut the glass for the tabbing to have everything ready to go next weekend to tab in the bulkheads and glass the sole. It's time to start thinking about gel coat repair below the waterline, sanding and bottom painting - want to do that before I put her back on the trailer.

Myfathersson 09-16-2019 07:16 PM

Kind of slow progress of late. But I got the bulkhead and side supports glassed on their exposed edges.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...y02AI7KQL70igA

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...El7O8-YZ69mIoK

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...AbLtW6TwFwEl1z

And this weekend got them placed in the hull and bedded:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...07UOjTc4wfg0cp

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...rs3yT1gNx-zNsf

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...7bju18SBL8o1wQ

And then cut the sheets of 17oz biax for the coming glassing:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...KIqUaz_TLLyQGH

This evening after work I laid those pieces against the individual plywood pieces and cut them to accurate form. Hopefully I can get 3 or 4 a night glassed the next few evenings after work. The sun going down by 8pm really limits evening progress!

Thanks for looking - Greg

Myfathersson 09-18-2019 08:16 PM

Six of the 11 secondary structural members are glassed in! 3 a night so far. The last five I should be able to knock out in one evening but my brother is coming in town for a music festival for a couple days so we'll see when I get those done.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...aC5db3XHxI5det

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...NP8zc5ZG4CZY7e

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Ot92vuHVQLa0mC

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...1Cdj5d7a1MRSYb

My Great Dane even got into the fun and got herself a little epoxy tag

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...QLnsWq6VbhEvpp

Pipe_Dream 09-19-2019 07:04 AM

I think it's tremendous. You're making great progress.

:clap:

scook 09-19-2019 11:14 PM

I think you’re going to end up with what the V20 could have been if they’d taken more care in the original builds. It’s a great hull and I love mine but the build could have been better executed and yours is going to be rock solid:sun:

Sangster 09-26-2019 03:50 PM

Read from the start today, nice! Any update?

I did see someone mention no foam from the factory in 1983 V20's? Is that true?

Myfathersson 09-27-2019 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sangster (Post 239120)
Read from the start today, nice! Any update?

I did see someone mention no foam from the factory in 1983 V20's? Is that true?

I can't speak for the foam in other years, or variants - my '87 Center Console definitely had foam. Still undecided as to whether I will replace it.

Last Friday I finished off the glassing of the new structures in the hull:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...2h3uo_X-KKj-39

I still have to get in there and cut away the excess glass at the different shapes, and glass over the screw heads where I anchored the members to the stringers while their adhesive set up.

Then had my brother in town for a music festival last weekend, then had to trek up north for a funeral first part of the week so progress has been minimal. I spent a little time the last several evenings with the grinder and welder reworking the trailer so that once I finish the sole up this weekend I'll be ready to replace the bunks and slip the two halves together next weekend.

Cut off the forward bunk supports - they angled in too tightly and wouldn't have aligned to where I need them to lie. Found a nice little collection of wasp babies that thankfully weren't viable:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...LIp4NxlsMkHtlm

And cut out the too short tongue member:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...5jMvfICQ8Ffre5

And got the cross members all cleaned up to accept the new locations of the bunk supports:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...5vztZP5EvDYFSQ

And welded the bunk supports into their new positions:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...5DHMOkx12thWSK

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...oZVYY-r2rx68yG

Welds aren't the prettiest but for the first welds I've done in close to 10 years and on a new welder I'm pretty happy. They're solid.

All the bunk supports in place and the welds dressed:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...7PQJn0XJqQ6c3q

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...FrusF3tiz1_3l2

And the tongue ready for the new member:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...bf3dNG5tSMWRHf

A 72" long piece of 3x4x3/16" tube steel:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...SwJnUGLV3fYIks

I guess I didn't snap any photos down in the shop last night of the prep on that piece - drilled the holes for the hydraulic brake coupler, the cross passage holes for wiring, drain hole, passage hole for the brake line, and tapped the ground connection hole. Here it is mostly welded in place:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...zE9ED75Gn-Bfmb

I need to jack up the trailer and get it flipped at least on its side if not completely upside down so I can weld the bottom of the connections - I could NOT get a bead overhead. If I can't get it flipped I'll fabricate a piece of 3/16" plate to join the three members and lap weld that in place. For the moment I laid on a coat of Rustoleum primer and called it a night:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...wOEjiQleSKd8UV

Tomorrow and Sunday will be gluing the plywood pieces to the sole and glassing them in. I also need to glass up the two plywood panels that sit atop the stringers near the rear for the batteries and oil tank. Then I'll pick up the new bunk wood and get the carpet that's sitting on the floor of my spare bedroom on. I ordered the hot dipped lag bolts from McMaster Carr today - even with shipping still going to be less than half the cost of grabbing them at Home Depot or Lowes. If the glass work scheduled all goes smoothly I may start on wet sanding and buffing the hull. I've got a gallon of gel coat for the scratch and chip repair that I need to use before November so I at least need to find out if I can bring the existing gel back to life and color match that restored gel so I can do those repairs and I want to get the new stainless thru hulls installed while the hull is split instead of working through the access holes to torque them down, so the hull needs to be semi complete cosmetically.

There's a long long list of stuff left to be done before I can even think about finding a new motor or rebuilding the '89 Yammy. Winter will be long, if summer ever lets go of its hold, so still focused on getting the hull ship shape before I'm forced indoors for a spell.

SkunkBoat 09-27-2019 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sangster (Post 239120)
Read from the start today, nice! Any update?

I did see someone mention no foam from the factory in 1983 V20's? Is that true?

only foam is around the fuel tank on 83

Myfathersson 09-30-2019 07:20 PM

Hallelujah! All the recoring is done! Saturday morning I cracked the whip and got rolling about 7:30am. Started mixing up some peanut butter and gluing down the new cores on the sole and clamping it in place with as many clamps as I could, 80# bags of Quikrete and some screws through from the underside:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...EsW5piZghEAVmc

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...dnZISZNpsLQWXa

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...QAo4UTz4nlnoaM

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...AIp1bd929f3O6p

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...ntecI7A7HbolAp

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...KyU5L98hro5vN6

Then once that was rigid enough to remove the clamps and concrete, I set to glassing. I used 1708 but it would've made more sense to order more 17oz Biax and use less epoxy:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...KIOK7p36iV0Rh7

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...R4P_ju46cZZsSE

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...OxNkjSoUQhvUNS

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Pr8kDbbMrle_qR

All in all it took 11 hours and 6 gallons of epoxy, and in record high heat (I think we hit 98) I cooked a couple batches of epoxy, one thickened, one laminating. I panicked on the laminating batch and ended up with a section of glass on the starboard sole that didn't penetrate, so I went back tonight and drilled some holes and with a 2oz syringe was able to pump in enough to permeate the glass and adhere it to the ply. Then I was able to finish off catching the fasteners I needed to cover and some exposed corners I didn't like in the previous work in the hull:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...OvlJQsXu4Pxl19

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...FV3upGHy2NpX07

Now it's decision time - since the 2 halves are essentially ready for a test fit it's time to decide if I'm foaming or not. If I do foam it's gotta happen between the test fit and the final reassembly of the 2 halves. Tomorrow night I'll try and get a firm idea of how many cubic feet I need if I choose to foam. And since I've got to let funding catch back up it might be a little bit before the final decision and the reassembly happens. I've made my milestone of being ready to reassemble before winter so that's a load off my shoulders. Stay tuned!

phatdaddy 10-01-2019 08:08 AM

Fill the cavities with ping pong balls

Saw it in a Donald Duck comic book!!

Pipe_Dream 10-01-2019 12:24 PM

Looking awesome.

oteps 10-01-2019 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phatdaddy (Post 239152)
Fill the cavities with ping pong balls

Saw it in a Donald Duck comic book!!

I used to roadrace motorcycles. One race organization said we could only have a fuel tank that holds 4.5 gallons for endurance races. We filled the tank with 4.5 gallons of gas and the rest ping pong balls.

Myfathersson 10-13-2019 03:19 PM

Work is still progressing. With the drop in temps it's going to slow down quite a bit. But I got the welding on the trailer done, had a friend help me flip it over since my overhead welding skills are...lacking...

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...GEr3ZhPEmGUFNN

Then my neighbor helped me flip it back over. Carpeted up the new bunks and installed them:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...lKEJSukuqH-2aC

Started stripping the rust off the two rims that need new tires by electrolysis:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...vrwg0u8nf_Vvbn

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...pwYC1IxyryN9ca

And cut down the winch stand so that it can get extended to the proper height once I put the hull back on the trailer:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...xLAnBO-eZ-XqXq

And once the new coat of paint was dryed I put the step treads back on the wheel wells:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...KG2RI2c99-DMYu

And started tackling the sanding of the hull.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...gdMeujobcYtPT9

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...eW2h6wHNbUUFjz

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...sid114btunWYer

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...wnWSAka8aZAZi_

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...OHI-5PFeOqiYGf

I wish I had one of these when I was a kid sanding down the bottom of dads boat every year to apply new antifouling paint:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...yXmbj0EVsLQYIT

And if all the hull sanding hadn't been enough I trimmed up the tank hatch opening excess glass from recoring the sole, and cleaned off the back of the gunnel strips and the tank hatch so they can be recored this winter:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...SHCCAAiGB7L4y3

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...qkHYZuSWPdUSrg

A resupply shipment of epoxy is arriving tomorrow, I was down to only slow hardener which with the cessation of 90 degree temps made for a dead stop in any patching progress. I've got a few spots on the keel that I want to build up - it's obvious the previous owners beached her quite often, and fair out the gouges and scratches across the hull. Then I want to seal up the glass everywhere the gelcoat wore thru with a coat of epoxy before I prime and paint.

Given the new trend in temps it's looking like, barring an extended warm front, I'll put the two halves back together for the winter and pull them back apart, foam and paint in the spring. I decided that the gel coat on the gunnels is too thin so the whole shabang is going to get painted.

Next weekend I'll get the two new tires on and slip the hull back on the trailer, flip the cap, and pray that it all goes together the way it's supposed to.

My to-do list keeps growing but at least the BIG tasks have been completed.

Myfathersson 10-19-2019 06:39 PM

Well seasons change so time to button her up for the winter.

Got the battery trays glassed in place. More on those later...

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...swneEtfWstXHJg

And got the hull onto the refurbished trailer:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Lirs6O15eUykRz

Will have to remake the forward bunk supports. Keel was sitting too low and only on the forward 1/2 of the bunk. I shimmed them up to where they will set. That'll do until she's ready to hit the road.

And sorted out the appropriate length for the winch stand and welded her back up:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...wDyEhG4X8LyfEz

Then early this morning hooked up the cap:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...LzC2nDIgiWSuDY

And flipped it right side up:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...be2fbYq6T8zjRx

Lifted it onto some concrete blocks so I could wash it down:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...Euy9fD7YOcR8sB

And hoisted it to the sky:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...inl7ketkP4zwjL

And just like that they were one again:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...SH_pf2F2PogMBE

Marrying the two back together went 100x smoother than I feared it might. Trailer lined right up, only had to shift fore and aft a couple times to get aligned, no side to side jockeying, and the lip snapped over fairly easy, it only took a little persuading with a light pry bar. Except for those pesky battery trays.

I matched the original size and placement of the trays to a tee. However, since I built my stringers 3/4" taller than the factory built theirs in order to minimize the thickness of adhesive needed, the trays are 3/4" higher than the original ones were. So the transom isn't set down tight. Thankfully the plan is to remove the cap again in the spring to finish things up, so I can simply trim the trays in place and re-glass that edge and should be right as rain.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...8cHa9z8Qc4JhnT

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...B1bbHN1xgkNoJG

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...mWlFzCNTllIuP1

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...I9OM98o5VjMNv5

Added some additional "rafters" to the lifting frame which will stay in place until the cap is permanently married to the hull to give good support to the winter cover:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...4JIawh79wvpvon

And tucked her in for the long lonely winter:

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=d...lkHsGh2uEaewzX

Tomorrow I'm going to enjoy the first weekend day without a pressing task and kick back watching some football.

phatdaddy 10-20-2019 07:25 PM

Nice!!!! You also picked a great weekend to watch Michigan.

Pipe_Dream 10-21-2019 06:53 AM

:clap::clap::clap:

Nice work!

SkunkBoat 10-21-2019 08:13 AM

:clap:

Slightly_Twisted 11-11-2019 05:25 PM

Nice!!!!:clap::clap:

Crusty 12-22-2019 07:25 PM

Nice boat. I just got a 1989 20 fisherman. I’m starting the same thing as you. We will have to stay in touch. I have the same motor as you. It’s a lot of work, but also a lot of fun. When I figure out how to post pictures, I’ll send you some.
Keep up the good work.


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