Jason honestly my CC 21' rides just like a 23'. My main area that I fish the most is approx 25nm so I cover alot of ground in that boat and even more so to our snapper banks and then gulf stream being 55nm and 75nm respectively. I am very comfortable in 2-3' seas and I can usually make about 23knts into a head/quartering sea and still get around 2.7mpg.

Now with a following sea, this is my Wellcraft's time to shine. Ive never rode in another boat that has handled it so firmly. Ive ran through 4'ers doin 33-35knts and gettin over 3mpg. Of course it occasionally hits the brakes but the majority of the time she is just straight kickin azz.

Not sure if this is attributed to my CC having more weight in the back but she sits up in a following sea and the bow has no problem climbing up/pushing through the head sea.......and we just gettin ready to celebrate her 30th b-day in a couple of years and I just got my first stress fracture in the gelcoat......not bad for 28 years

Oh and thanks for the link MJ.....now I want a tower!!!!

Jason, something just occurred to me.... You have the opportunity to build the PERFECT V... the wellcraft V-230 CCC


center console cuddy

all of the room and fishability of a v-20 CC along with the storage and overnight ability of a v-20 cuddy.

Ssi, you have a bracket right? What setback and how heavy of an engine are you running? If I do the hull extension, I will cut some off the cuddy, and go with a pilothouse center console.

How much do yall think the twobfoot section of transom I cut off will weigh?

Yea its either an 18 or 20" Stainless Marine with Yamaha 4-stk 150. With the addition of the 150 she sits about an inch lower in the back but the old paint re-aligns with the water right at the back of the console. Between the 150 and the Tabs, it completley changed the way that boat rides......much, much better.....I can get you some good pics next time Im over there if that helps......

Yep, I like pics! Right now I want twin 2.5L Mercs on a bracket. I was thinking 30" setback. I can always shorten my bracket if its too far once I water test.

Yea I'll get some when I go to the boat next.

As a diver I will even the hell outta you if the 30" works. My dive ladder is fine but some of my "heftier" buddies have a time with it....

Kracker posted a pic of a pilothouse centerconsole in my rebuild thread. Ridge also posted a pic of an enclosed console Everglades. Now, using wood as a core, could i duplicate that? My console will be built into the enclosure. They wont be two separate pieces.

For that type fishing, you're better off getting a 23' Seacraft or such with a deep V designed for offshore use.

That has crossed my mind. But the V is more than capable of doing this. It has done it before, well not the rig trips.

For a 75mi trip I pack an extra 15g's of gas and use it on the way out. If the day you picked was already borderline with the Welly I dont think an extra 2' of hull will all of sudden change your mind.......

Having run my V21 through tight 4'- 5' waves, I wouldn't want to do it for say 25 - 50 miles, plus larger wave swells too.

The boat ran fine, for what it is, and with the tabs, I wasn't pounding either.

I just don't look at the V's as a serious offshore rig - more of an inshore to about 25 miles out rig. It is what it is, roomy, nice riding, great looking.

That said - hey, go for it - take it way off deep and catch lots of big fish.

For serious offshore, I'd prefer to be running a 28' Henriques, Carolina, Bertram, Albi, etc type boat. Built for it.

I have had my share of rough trips in on the V. And I have never felt uncomfortable during any of those times. My main goal with the hull extension is more cockpit, and more flotation. I would run a V20 to the rigs if I had a motor I would trust and a kicker. Or twins. I do not want to go big because then it becomes a pain in the *** to run it. I have the feeling I will be going out alone alot so I need to keep things manageable. 22-24' with twins would be at the limit for me singlehanded. Not to mention I am hoping if I can gethe weight ratio right that twin 200 Mercs will be easy on fuel. I think it will cruise at 30-35 with the twins turning 2000? I am going off what I have seen here. Its gonna be a way different boat when done.

30-35mph @ 2000 sounds really optimistic but potentialy awesome as well.......

I am going off reports of 45mph with a 200 Merc. So twins is 90mph. SCARY! So I am figuring half throttle would be 45mph. It will probably be lower. But I expect no less than 70mph and I hope I never max it out lol.

Haha....Well best of luck sir and HANG ON!!!!

Yeh well, the 96' V21 supposedly holds 70 gallons so 200 miles is about the range.
Unless maybe with a 140 hp honda 4 stroke, then figure 250 + miles.

The fuel burn numbers will be interesting. I remember the 250 Sport with twin 150 Yamahas was not a gas pig at all.

If you add 5' to that hull off the rear that will be one hard-pounding ****ty ride. Look under the boat and midway there is a big wide flat spot where the fuel tank rests that stays in the water at cruise. Adding five feet shifts the weight further back making that flat spot your point of entry into waves in a chop. That will beat your fillings out

Also regarding power, the boat is not made for that type of power without major modifications. Go to a boat dealership and ask to see the hull core samples of these modern 25's with twins and you'll see about 3/4" to 1-1/4" thick fiberglass layups. Our boats have nowhere near that, ours are more like 3/8".

Not trying to be a downer but because it was done before doesn't make it a good idea.

Thats funny Tartuffe, I was looking at the hull today thinking its going to look odd having so much "pad" and not enough bow. You got a very good point. I just do not know if 2' extension is worth all the work. My main goal is to make room for an enclosed center console with the shortened cuddy. But then again back to alot of pad with little bow. I understand what your saying and until I looked at it today it did not occur to be a problem. Twins would be nice, but I can almost buy a new kicker 25hp for the cost of another 2.5L Merc.

when i converted my i/o to outboard i would say the transom was 1/2 glass, in 1975, but i am sure its not heavy enough for twins that size. i wasn't even sure it was for a 175 and added enforcement inside when i added the bracket.

this is 1/2 x 3" steel


http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/...icture_016.jpg

I keep thinking you are really on to something w/a hull extension, but more in the 3'-4' range...then as far as power, once the extension is done, what's the smallest power that would plane that hull?...90?...100?...115?...whatever will plane it, double that w/twins for best efficiency re weight and fuel...and as far as hull entry goes a pair of trim tabs can determine that, instead of relying on dealing w/whatever the boat does naturally...
There's one thing I've come to realize about powering a predominantly saltwater boat...you RARELY use big HP due to the seas you run in...so why not cut it back to what you'll more realistically use?...JMHO...

If I want to stay with Mercury for power that limits my options for power. I think a 100 is the max in a four cylinder.

Right now I am planning to keep the V20 as she is now. Thats a ton of work. If I get serious about the SKA tourneys I will look for an old Seacraft that needs work, or go all out and buy an older Fountain.

The line about a lotta work is a big one...still, I'd like to see it done sometime...would really like to work w/somebody KNOWS glassin'...but don't look like that's to be...

A V24 w/a 250 ETEC pusher...I'd hit it...:party:

Good ideas, plus you can carry two 10 gallon fuel reserve tanks for long runs.