Luger's " has a menu" .......you just don't bother to use it because Peter Luger's is rated among the # 1 steak restaurant's in the USA.

Interesting thread - started out as a discussion about commenting on someone's boat for sale listing.............now turned into a steak restaurant discussion. I believe I was first to reference steak on this thread so fine.

Now maybe I'll turn this thread into a discussion about the best barbeque ribs .
Nah........let's keep arguing about public comments on a guys boat for sale listing.

There is a steak house here in my little town that has one of those super hot cookers, like 800 degrees. I can't imagine any other restaurant beatting them at any price.

But you cant beat grillin your own over fire......be it wood or charcoal.

That kind of discussion could be worse than politics considering the rivalry that exists between differrent kinds of BBQ and which is best.

EASTERN NC BBQ, is there any other???

Dang Hedge, I thought we were friends!?!?!?!?!?:you:

Everybody knows WESTERN style BBQ reigns supreme. Lexington style to be exact.

BBQ pork ribs - spare ribs, St. Louis cut, baby back, all have a special place in my heart. My absolute favorite thing to put on the smoker. By the way, we are on the cusp of smoker season.
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Are you guys going crazy ? !!!! That degree ( get it ) of " food porn " will get this whole web site taken down !!!!

And besides, this thread is supposed to be a good ol' argument between me and Destroyer about classified's comments.

As for barbeque........I go traditional style. I like the meat tender and juicy, and the sauce smoky and authentic - not sugary sweet, no special flavors such as lemon this or orange that......... just good meat, chicken included and......my personal preference when I'm in the mood for beer: Yards Brewery - Brawler. Always smooth, great flavor, never bitter.

I think you misunderstand ... no thread is ever supposed to be an argument. Besides, I really don't give damn what you think, since it's just your opinion. I'm sure that you feel the same way about what I think, since, again, it's just my opinion....

But good BBQ, on the other hand, is a national heritage, and needs to be defended when necessary. And much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with you on the traditional style being best. I hate the sugar coatings that a lot of places put on the meat. Beer is always a matter of individual preferance. I tend to go with Sam Adams Boston Lager or Killians Red, but that's just me and I don't expect anyone to agree or disagree with me on that.

You guys are crazy and both of you are wrong. LOL :you::beer:

j/k - Eastern BBQ is very simple. Smoke Boston Butts for hours on end (12 + hrs at 200 - 225) until pulled pork is achieved. Pulled, chopped or sliced. Add in some Lexington style sauce (or serve on the side) and enjoy.

I actually love sauces and eat them in excess. Hot sauce, ketchup, honey mustard, soy, etc. etc. Love sauce.

Lexington sauce is a combination of apple cider vinegar, ketchup, water, salt/pepper, cayenne pepper, crushed red pepper, lemon juice, and sugar (I like molasses or maple syrup instead). Being a big fan of Texas Pete hot sauce I usually add in a liberal portion or it to my BBQ sauce as a kicker.

Destroyer.........here are a few suggestions.......assuming you're not too brittle:
1. Calm down, we're joking around here. My reference to all the food talk getting in the way of a good argument should have been obvious - humor, not anger.
2. Let's not stray towards foul language.
3. Yup, I still think people shouldn't make negative public comments in ref to another guys item for sale.
4. Relax. Don't take this stuff too seriously. I'll be " pissed " if I list my boat and you
tell everyone that my price is " too much" but other than that, who cares really.
5. There is no # 5.
6. There's no # 6 either.

THANKS, Now I'm hungry. None of that mustard based crap please. Good quality dry rub is all I need.:drool::drool::drool: and lots of:beer::beer:

Mustard goes against Western BBQ philosophy, HOWEVER, being a sauce guy I like it (done my way of course) on country style ribs, but not on BBQ or pork ribs. One of my pix above shows a bowl of mustard based dip. I can assure you it was only used on the country style ribs.

*Forgive me Lord, for I have sinned*

:sun::you:

Mustard is for hotdogs, that's it. And I don't care for dry rubs either. I use a mixture of some sweet BBQ sauce(a tomato based one, NO vinegar sauce for me), lemon juice, and lOTS and lOTS of smoke in the smoker for mine. When I dod ribs, I marinate them overnight in my sauce and lemon juice mixture(with some secret herbs and spices), then they get smoked in my cabinet smoker. And I don't like my ribs to have a smoke ring in them, but to be completely smoked through the meat. About 2/3rds of teh way through I will immerse them in the marinade again and leave em in it for about 30 mintes in the top of the smoker in the marinade. Take em out of the marinade and then finish em off for about 30 minutes over 250 degree moist heat to make the sauce into a glaze on em. I have yet to find somebody who doiesn't like em. I've even had a vegetarian before that ate them and loved em.

Heres some I did awhile back.
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Talk about a thread derail.

This thread has a bad case of HTD - Historic Thread Derail

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Its funny you should mention that as I was just gettin ready to ask what kind of laundry detergent everyone was using.......personally, Im a Tide man used in conjunction with 2 Bounce sheets.

I know Tide might be a little pricey but its great at removing mustard, BBQ sauce and dry rub stains from my shirt..........

Now thats a relevant derail for that azz right there!!!!!!

I never saw this as an argument, just a normal exchange between two Yankees.

I agree AND disagree with both of you, but thats just my opinion.:sand:

RB, now that is funny! :you:

SSI - I'm a Tide and Bounce man too but for those ground-in, hard to remove BBQ stains I sometimes resort to SHOUTing it out.

Tide --> Powder or Liquid? <-- My take is they are both messy and work equally well at attaining that mountain spring fresh smell.

How 'bout these:
Ford or John Deere?
Costa Del Mar or Maui Jim?
Bacon or Sausage?
Blonde or Brunette?
Honda or Toyota?
PC or Mac?
Busch Lite or.....awe hell no, we ain't goin back there!! :cen:

I'm allergic to tide, so we use PUREX liquid down here.

Pearl Necklace or Beaded Headdress??????????

Oh crap which one?!?!?! Hurry,hurry, hurry..........dammit, too late......Baby where's the Tide??? Ok, just stay there.......

Oh you got an opinion too hu ? Ok what now - who makes the best key lime pie ?

1. I was joking, that's why I made the comment about agreeing with you....Thought it was obvious. (hmmm...maybe you're the brittle one?) :p
2. You mean the "don't give a damn?" I'll refrain from further comments like that. Sorry, didn't realize you were so sensitive.. (I suggest that you use the Purex liquid soap... it's for sensitive skin)
3. I understand your point of view, really I do, but here's a hypothetical question for you. Suppose I see a boat for sale, and it has what is, to us, an obvious flaw. Are you saying that I/we/you shouldn't make a negative public comment in ref. to the other guys item for sale? If that's the case, then who do we best serve..the public?.. or the seller?
4. Actually the thought crossed my mind that it WAS your boat for sale and that's why you were taking the high and mighty road.

Arm and Hammer for the clothes... it makes them smell clean & fresh.

(And Honey-Mustard Sauce is great for dipping chicken in...just not for BBQ)

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Destroyer - now I know what that name means........

Destroyer of other guys opportunities to sell their boats........or at least diminish that opportunity.

So let's see now, this is an internet forum about Wellcraft V boats.
Assume you have one too. I do.

Two different V's for sale - two separate listings
1. You tell the first guy - for all to see that he's asking too much money.
2. You copy and paste another guys listing and tell us all it's " too pricey"

You're either a spy of some kind, or your mission is to bring down the selling prices of these boats. Tell you what .......put your V up for sale, and I'll do likewise and make my mission to tell everyone that you're asking too much money, should be cheaper.

Only thing is - I don't do that sort of thing. Get it now or still too much lead in the way ?

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Wow there has been alot going on.....

Purex instead of Tide....same effectiveness, half the cost.

Vinegar based BBQ is not my favorite....breaks my friend from Florence's heart but it is what it is....

And how soon will it be before Bgreene or Destroyer calls the other an F'in Wanker?

I was thinking the same thing. :you:

Look up the thread(s) on how people got their names and you'll see what my name really means. I neither create nor destroy other peoples opportunities for anything.

Seems to me that only a fool would let someone else tell them how much they should or should not spend. Like I've said before, ultimately, the true value of an item is what a person is willing to pay for it. That price is set between the buyer and the seller.

Now, in your example, what would be the gain to me if I was to say that both boats were too costly? The only way I could gain would be to become a buyer of one of them. But it would hurt me when I went to sell my boat. So it makes no sense. Since I read tons of ads daily and do know what these boats are selling for on average, then I should be allowed, like everyone else here, to express that opinion.

I've also made comments in the past that I thought that people got their boats at a steal when someone paid less than what I thought a boat was worth. Do you think the buyer should then go back to the seller and give them more money based on what I said?

My boat is a 78 in reasonably good shape, but I'm not a fool with some kind of delusion of it's worth. I know that, as she sits right now, and in this present economic market, she's worth somewhere between 2 and 4 thousand. When I sell her, I'll ask higher than that, and try to present to the buyer why she is worth what I'm asking. The buyer, on the other hand, will try to present to me why they want to pay less. No matter what anyone else may or may not have said or printed the final price will be what the two of us argee on. That will be it's true market value.

If you're talking about that guy that wanted $14+ grand for his boat, then if you read the post you'll notice that I was not the only one that expressed the opinion that he was asking too much. (I still have the same opinion btw). As to this post, I started this thread with the comment that the boat was too pricey for me, but I STILL WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BUY IT IF I COULD HAVE AFFORDED IT. I never said the boat was not worth the money, or that the seller was asking too much from other people, just that he was asking too much as it related to MY wallet.

Really isn't that what every single one of us do with every single purchase we make? Be it a house, car, boat or groceries from the store....if we can afford something and we want it and buy it then the item was set at the right price. If we walk away from it then the item was too high. But we only make that decision at the time of purchase.

As a further example, right now my wife and I are looking at new washers and dryers since ours were destroyed in the flood. We've finally narrowed it down to a few different models of Matag front loaders. The prices for the same model vary significantly between different retailers. The one that has the best price will get our business. It has nothing to do with what someone else did or did not tell us to pay.

I understand the point you're trying to make, really I do. I know that you're looking to sell your boat sometime in the future and that you'll want to get the most money for it that you can, but truthfully, what I'm trying to show you is that nothing that someone else says here or somewhere else will effect the price you sell it for. Only you, as the seller and someone else, as the buyer will be able to establish the true market value of your boat.

There is a saying that opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one. Your opinion and mine just happen to be at odds on this subject. It's like saying that one BBQ is better than another's. It's only an opinion, and it's impossible to prove. My opinion is that we should just eat the BBQ and not worry about who's right or wrong. :head:

(Pass the corn on the cob please):beer:

The end...

That one is easy, Key West Pie Company, which is actually in Big Bine Key, makes the best KLP.

I've had better at a few restaurants down there. KLP Co didn't really impress me as I found it to be way to tart even for KLP.

I'm not really a fan of KLP, but a good Apple Brown Betty hot from the oven is hard to beat. :clap:

Yup the end....... Now about key lime pie......

I like key lime pie.

Even though I am extremely busy, I will make time and volunteerily be the guinea pig here, send me a rack.

The extra tart is why I like it.

Looks like I missed the fireworks. Everyone has an opinion.



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Mom's pie is best. Chess pie is my favorite but her key lime is to die for. I prefer them made with limes of an ever bearing lime tree instead of the fickle key limes that are prevalent in SFL. Mustard IS for Brats, Vinegar is for salad dressing and cleaning electrical connections, Red sauce is where its at for me on the Q.
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What is red sauce? Gotta have ketchup in it right?

See nice pic of red sauce on Ferm's ribs. It is a red tomato base sauce.

Yep, sauce has to be tomato based. NO and I mean NO vinegar sauce for me. I don't care for teh taste of it, and it tear my ulcers up BIG TIME! SONNYS has a good sweet sauce available in most big chain stores that is a pretty good base to use.

10-4.

When I don't have time or access to make the Lexington style I normally buy a bottle of Sweet Baby Ray's Hickory and Brow Sugar and cut it by almost half with water. It thins it out a bit given that it is very thick straight out of the bottle.

Hard to beat some good ribs no matter what you put on em (or don't put on em)!