if the system has sealed boxes then that kit comes with 24' hoses also. that looks like a good deal if it has the hoses as the model number says. then you would only need the bezel kit.

Thank you sir!

no problem

I bought HK6400a from a reputable eBay seller this morning for $876, which includes 20' hoses and shipping charges.

I bought the 20 degree bezel kit for $75 at go2marine.com.

I'll keep you guys posted on this project once these get shipped. Thanks for all of your expertise!

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awesome! show pics when you start the install

Good goin' BR!!...that's gonna be shaweet when ya get 'er done...worth every gray hair it puts on yer head and every dime ya shell out too...remember what all ya do, cause when I get the KAHUNAS to go hydraulic, I'll need lotta help w/it...:clap:

Thanks for the vote Reel! The install seems easy IMO. I'm going to use the existing cable to feed the hoses so that shouldn't be a problem at all.

I guess I'll be finding out how easy it really is very soon!

Good luck, Old Buddy...that upgrade will really enhance an already "Purdy Lil 21"...:love:

My hoses are cooper water tube, by what I understand it was done at the factory in 1984??

Wow, never heard of copper tubing in a hydro steering system. But if you can't tell by now, I don't know much about hydro steering :zip:

I know enough about steering cables though including how much they cost and how dangerous they can be when they fail! I got real lucky 2 years ago when running about 30 mph with 6 folks on board she snapped and sent the V into an instant sharp right turn. Luckily I throttled down just in time as we were heading straight for a wooden seawall on the lake.

No one was thrown out but it was scary.

An update on my hydro project...

In anticipation of my shipment arriving this week me and a buddy started getting things ready. First order of business was to free up the existing steering cable since it has to come out. I took the big nut off the tube and to my surprise the rod was not stuck in the engine tube :deer:
and not frozen at the helm :head:

So apparently the cable is stuck inside the whatchamadoodle, cable sheath or whatever you call it.

Oh well, no worries, all that crap is coming out! But I left it in so I could feed the hydro hoses :party: (Emphasis on CRAP!)

Next up, remove the wheel. I've removed about 4 or 5 stubborn wheels in the past with the 3/4 inch tapered shaft. They can be a pain in the tailbone! This one was no walk in the park. I thought I might be able to yank it off with help from my friend after spraying it down with some PB. No dice...she REEELY did not want to come off. Time to find that gear puller. Almost all of the wheels I've pulled in the past I've had to use a gear puller. Anyway, had a little bit of trouble with the puller slipping off and finally remembered to put the lock nut on the end of the shaft to hold the puller in place, but not before buggering up the threads a bit :zip:

Once the nut was on I tightened the gear puller and it was getting REEL tight, then BANG! It popped off :sly:and the gear puller crashed to the fiberglass floor :deer: and my buddy looked at me as if we had just ripped the entire console out :you:

Then I removed the helm and bezel mount. At this point I am ready for to install the new steering. This evening I'm going to work on draining the +/- 10 gallons of old fuel and charge up the batteries. Then she needs a good cleaning, new racor filter, and the owner may need a bottle of champagne considering July 26th 2008 was the last successful voyage for me. :cry:

Wish me luck.

sounds like a rough install, did you try the two ball pein hammer approach to remove the wheel first?

I'm not familiar with the 2 ball pien hammer method....do share!

She was on there so tight I can't imagine anything but the puller would have gotten it off.

Actually, I'd say things are going smoothly so far, believe it or not. I will consider it a "rough" install if I run into something I can't fix in an hours time.

Perty work Blue. I was in up to my eyeballs myself tonight as I started rigging the P-line. Once I figured it out, the entire helm pod lifts off to reveal all the wiring, which in my case was a rats nest from a bunch a previously butchered jobs.:shut:I did get my plotter on before dark, so in all it was a good night.

i'll try to take a pic of the process today.

CT - what a tease!!!!! You've got my mind going ape-sh!t. I just cant imagine how 2 ball pien hammers could be used to remove the helm, beside two people beating the wheel simultaneously from behind.

Slot, I hear ya...you sound like me. Worked on the boat after work the past 2 evenings right up until dark. It is rewarding though. :happy:

Yesterday evening I drained all the old gas out. I estimated there was 10 - 12 gallons in the v based on my last recollection of the gas gauge. I pumped 11.5 gallons! Dam gauge is spot on!

My 20 degree dash wedge came in, still waiting on the steering system. I have 2 mounting options, they are the pics on the left as seen below. I prefer the top one however my hole would have to be 5 1/2 inches to accomodate. As of now its somewhere in the 3.5 - 4 inch range. I'll just do the bottom one for now to get to fishing and if I'm unhappy I'll remount it with the 5.5in. hole:
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ge/50268-1.jpg
Be sure to tune in tomorrow for more hydraulic fun!
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You're going to love the hydraulic steering. I've got the Baystar system and it steers great. Just make sure to buy an extra front shaft seal for the hub/pump. It's not a regular o-ring, it's more like an x-ring to seal.

Mine needs replacing which is why I've got tilt/trim lube on the floor under the console.

Here's a link about it: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/ref...eflexSeal.html

jrou111, thank you for the interesting info...this is my favorite part of the article (at the bottom):

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yep maybe if it never left the showroom

CT, is the the hammer trick you were referring to? I googled and found this.
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yep thats the one. and if it doesnt want to come off at first get bigger hammers, lol

I got my steering kit in just before leaving for the beach last weekend. I'm going to the beach again this weekend so I'm going to try and work on the boat in the evenings this week.

Blue Runner (and anyone else),

I've ordered 100 of the front shaft x-rings for the seastar/baystar helm pumps for $13 from McMaster Carr. I know I don't need 100 but they were $6 plus shipping from Teleflex.

If anyone needs an extra oring or 3 to keep on hand I'll send you one for the cost of shipping.

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Very nice offer there JR!! What's the deal with these? Do they dry out or what? Where is it located? Is it around the fill?

It's behind the wheel, behind the retainer with the 3 screws, on the shaft (huh huh).

They keep the hydraulic fluid in the reservoir and when they go bad you have a slow leak of fluid onto the floor under the helm. If the fluid gets too low you can lose your steering partially or even completely.

I got the cylinder installed on the motor yesterday evening with some help from friend Cory. There was some trial and error involved. The instructions were a little lacking, but all in all it wasn't too bad. A little tight in there trying to get the tiller bolt connected.

For the helm, my existing hole isn't big enough. Referring back to the diagram, my 2 mounting choices are on the left of the picture below. For the top one, a 5" hole is required and 4" for the bottom option. I'm going to start out with the bottom option with the thinking that if I do not like it I will cut it out to 5" and use the top option. Once its cut you can't put it back! I'm going to put a few feelers out today to try and get a 4" hole saw. Either my dad or one of my friends probably has one laying around. If I can't find one I'll go buy one. Working again this evening. Once the hole is cut I'll be almost there. Will post progress.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ge/50268-1.jpg

No hole saw yesterday, but I'm supposed to be getting something to cut it this evening. I don't know what yet...hole saw, rotozip, ??? But dad said he'd borrow it for me today.

I put a charge on my battery and the thing is deader than a door nail so I headed to Wally World and bought a marine battery. The dead one is an Optima - really like these batteries. I want to buy another Optima and use the Wally World battery for backup.

While at Wally World I bought 2 cans of seafoam and some stabil, went home and ran the motor on a 6 gallon tank with some of the seafoam. I was running it on muffs and water flow was terrible. The overheat alarm went off so I stopped. It was pissing but like a 100 year old man, nothing behind it so to speak.

This evening hopefully I will get my hole cut, install the helm and fill/bleed the unit. Then I'm going to put it in the lake!

quit cutting holes and get that corn ready for next week, that's what your dad really said didn't he? I'll see ya Friday in Denton.

Skools LOL!! We'll be there! Hot dogs, roasted corn, and now even corn dogs.

Update on my project - I got the steering installed this weekend. Did some work up til 0 dark thirty on Friday evening and hit it again on Saturday morning. Got finished around 11 am and headed to the lake. I ran it through its paces, burning approximately 15 gallons and well over 30 miles. A good time was had as this was the first successful run since July 27th 2008 (at exactly 5:07 pm).

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